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To: DallasDeb; ZULU
Sorry but science doesn’t lie...The shroud was carbon dated and is proven to have been made somewhere in the Middle Ages of history when a lot of these so-called “holy relics” originated. It also is not mentioned in Scripture and no where is there other evidence of other shrouds used in the burial processes of Jews during the time of Christ...Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy however are real!
65 posted on 02/25/2008 4:09:10 PM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 318 and counting! Stay home and get a Dem!)
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To: meandog
Sorry but science doesn’t lie...

Ah, the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

Read up on tobacco scientists and global warming for trivial counterexamples.

The shroud was carbon dated and is proven to have been made somewhere in the Middle Ages of history when a lot of these so-called “holy relics” originated.

You are misinformed.

Samples from the Shroud -- all from one area of the Shroud and not randomized samples were tested; as it turns out the samples were from an area which had been damaged in a fire and re-woven.

Contamination of the sample is a great way to get incorrect results in radiocarbon dating.

Nice try, though.

Now here's a little thought experiment for you: if this image were on any other piece of cloth, and not linked to Jesus, would you immediately dismiss it as a forgery, or attempt to figure out the mechanism of formation, as a fascinating curiosity?

Cheers!

77 posted on 02/25/2008 4:43:27 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: meandog
Sorry but science doesn’t lie...The shroud was carbon dated and is proven to have been made somewhere in the Middle Ages of history when a lot of these so-called “holy relics” originated. It also is not mentioned in Scripture and no where is there other evidence of other shrouds used in the burial processes of Jews during the time of Christ...

Oh my -

The only thing correct in the above is that it isn't mentioned in scripture...

There could be a very good reason for that - It's existence was protected for centuries to keep it from being confiscated and or destroyed - hate to burst the bubble, but everything that happened back then did not make it into the scriptures, and many books of scripture that the early church was using were burned as a result of the Nicence Council - who decided which books ,would and which would not, be compiled to become the Bible.

Those that didn't make the cut were ordered destroyed. And this was 300 years after Christ - 300 years of many books not "in the scriptures" now, being used.

79 posted on 02/25/2008 4:46:08 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: meandog
It also is not mentioned in Scripture and no where is there other evidence of other shrouds used in the burial processes of Jews during the time of Christ . . .

The manner of Jesus' burial is described in a lot of detail in the Gospel of John, Chapters 19 and 20.

117 posted on 02/25/2008 6:11:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: meandog

Ya de ya de ya.

Science DOESN’T lie, but testing methods are subject to human error and carbon 14 testing isn’t always precise.
Read about WHERE from the Shroud the samples were originally taken, read about the palynological and anatomical studies on the image. If this is a fraud, its the greatest job in history.

I believe your theories about Roman error burial practises among the Jews are incorrect and conflict with Biblical accounts.


196 posted on 02/26/2008 2:26:16 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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