Posted on 02/23/2008 9:29:43 PM PST by jdm
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Mike Huckabee may be the only presidential candidate who could meet with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson on Friday, which he did, and then appear on "Saturday Night Live," which he's scheduled to do tonight.
In between, the former Arkansas governor addressed 350 people attending the annual Leadership Program of the Rockies dinner Friday night at the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs.
The conservative group is headed by Bob Schaffer, the former Republican congressman who is running for Colorado's open U.S. Senate seat. Others in attendance included state Attorney General John Suthers and Secretary of State Mike Coffman.
Huckabee threaded humor through his talk, saying there were "no Republicans in Hope, Ark., when I grew up there," but there were three heroes: "Jesus, Elvis and FDR."
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Huckabee, a former Baptist minister, said liberty requires "moral clarity" and that equality demands a human-life amendment to the Constitution. He said that even if the Supreme Court overturned the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion in 1973, it wouldn't go far enough.
"What that means is that every one of the 50 states can come up with its own definition of life," said Huckabee, equating abortion with slavery. "That's the logic of the Civil War. That's the idea that morality is geographical. It's the notion that something can be right in one state and wrong in another. Well, when it came to slavery, we finally got it right that you can't own another human being."
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8) lookin in later
That’s not a winning argument.
They say before civil war, people used to refer to United States as United States ARE.......after civil war, they started referring to US as United States IS.......
I think morality is better off decided by States........
Most civil laws are......I like the the Georgraphical Boundary.......that can allow all of us to co-exist in peace.....
Not arguing to bring Slavery back.....but if there is any hope of winning on issue of abortion.....first step has to be to make it a State issue.
Slavery did not (directly) kill people ...
[Not arguing to bring Slavery back.....but if there is any hope of winning on issue of abortion.....first step has to be to make it a State issue.]
Agree. Dems know how to get far with baby steps but we go for broke, only to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Ultimately, the country will be all one way or all another; at bare minimum we should be honest with ourselves about that.
-yes, but wasn’t the argument that slaves were only 3/5ths human, and therefore could be deprived of their rights?
In that vein, the comparison is valid to abortion.
-after all, the fetus is just “unviable tissue mass”
What do you mean?
Legally, the country is already all one way with regard to Roe v. Wade. There are some differences by state, but legal abortion is the law of the land. Does that me pro-lifers should just give up?
What do you mean what do I mean?
Pro-life ping
Mike being the only pro life candidate thus far in this race I see will go for what is true and given all concieved are to be treated as you and me ...alive
Tigen, I support your right to vote for whomever you wish. But voting for Huckabee in the primary will do nothing to further the pro-life cause because he won’t have a lick of power. What the dems have in mind for us is evil beyond imagining. Sometimes we have to go for the crumbs rather than vanish into utter irrelevancy. When we stand on principle yet by doing so allow greater evil to gain a foothold, with more babies murdered, I just don’t see that as productive. I think we have a better chance moving someone who is already closer to our stance over to the pro-life side than trying to convince the liberals, who just brush us off anyway. Pzx, Tigen.
— Ronald Reagan
Exactly, the country is all one way at the moment - the wrong way. I just fear, if we pretend pro-life is just a states’ rights issue, who exactly are we fooling? I certainly don’t think the opposition is fooled.
I think morality is better off decided by States........
I beg to differ. This is the the only correct argument. Hearts and minds must be changed. The battle can be state by state, but to argue state's rights is not supported by The Constitution.
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Fifth Amendment
No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."
Fourteenth Amendment
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Define “person”.
Life is a right, not a state or federal issue. As a vulnerable nation-in-the-making, we may have had to tolerate the already present slavery and then, all too slowly, make it right, but it is an abomination that we have allowed the previously illegal murder of children to become legal. We, as a nation, are still paying for slavery and now have added a terrible debt for the deaths of millions of babies.
The Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination was all about this with “states rights” federalism prevailing apparently with Roberts and Alito being appointed.
Miers had the federal “civil rights” attitude apparently.
I’m still a states rights conservative who sees abortion as ugly and evil, not to mention euthanasia and infanticide.
Human life needs to be protected and more moments of truth like the Terri Schiavo case are coming in this country.
That’s the dilemma in a nutshell.
How it breaks in a crisis is anyone’s guess. The politicians choked when given the chance to save Terri’s life.
Conscience demands something be done in response to a “culture of death.”
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