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To: Bob J

First of all Bob, it is very condensending to challenge folks who don’t want to vote for a man who has helped bilk seniors out of their life savings from his potion in the Senate of the United States.

It is even more condesending to challenge them for not wanting to vote for a man who advocated that the MIA issue be laid to rest, so trade with Hanoi could commence.

It is amazingly condescending to challenge folks for not wanting to vote for a man who was stupid enough to co-sponsor (with his own name on it, no less), the McCain/Feingold bill, a bitch slap to the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

It is incredible to me, to see anyone challenge folks for not wanting to vote for a man who wanted to reward criminality as it applies to between 25 and 35 million foreign nationals on our soil in the United States. These folks are bleeding this nation dry, and John McCain cared so little about it that he actually reasoned that changing their illegal status to a legal status would ‘FIX EVERYTHING’. The man is a complete idiot on this issue.

It got so bad that John McCain hired a former staffer to the President of Mexico to advise him on U.S./Mexican relations, and help him devise policy. This person immediately came up with what he called “a Mexico First” policy, and when challenged on this fact, McCain actually defended the guy.

When our President was trying to face down the democrats over judicial appointments, John McCain short-circuited the effort by joining with the gang of fourteen. This adversely affected appointments to the ranks of federal judges across this nation.

This doesn’t even touch on the fact that for the last decade John McCain practically lived on the sets of Sunday morning talking head shows short-circuiting every Republican initiative he possibly could. from the postition that he knew better than anyone on every single issue. He was the poster boy “conservative” on those shows, insulting us anew with each embarassing performance.

Today John delivers speeches that are riddled with liberal buzzwords. For instance, his big policy speech from April 2007 on his energy goals wavered into liberal territory nine times addressing 24 catch phrase words or terms on 28 separate instances. Terms like carbon capture, carbon trades, greenhouse gases, global warming... these are the terms of John McCain, not Barak Obama. McCain essentially buys off on the Kyoto Protocals and wants to implement as much of it as he can, while smart enough not to do it officially (at least I think).

Despite all this, you can’t see any other reason why some of us would refuse to back McCain and ask others to do so, other than that it’s an ego trip for us, we need to have others join us to help buttress our fragile mental faculties or some other equally insulting nonsense.

What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who help defraud Seniors, and trash them for it? Mentally unstable? Insecure? In need of an attitude adjustment?

What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who pass laws that infringe on our Constitutional Amendments, and trash them for it? Irrational? Unreasonable? Sanctamoneous?

What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who advocated for the MIA issue being laid to rest, and trash them for it? UnAmerican? Anti-Military? Myopic?

I could go right down the line on these issues and you would agree with me in every instance that people are not wrong to oppose any of the things John McCain has done that I just listed. And then you’d turn right around and tell me that it’s just wrong not to vote for him.

Bob, you can reread your post and look at those comments you made about folks who will not support John. And after you have, realize they do not apply to them. They apply to you to the power of ten.

You folks are incredibly irrational on this matter.

When confronted on the issue of who will advocate for conservatism if John is president you folks don’t have an answer. When John reaches out to the democrats they won’t oppose him. Enough in his own party won’t opposed him to block his desires. And then there’s John himself. He and the Republican party leadership will be trashing conservatives in the exact same manner you have here. “You folks are fringe wing-nuts.” It is appauling that any person who calls themself a conservative could decide that being a part of this would be a great day for conservatism. And that being the case, how in the sam hell could it be a good day for the nation we supposedly love.

We have come to the place where we can watch a man disect Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, and then advocate for him to be President. And then turn our backs on loyal nation loving citizens who dispise what the man stands for, and insult them to their faces.

Tell me Bob, if running against a democrat for the office of the president, what single thing could a person do that John McCain hasn’t done, for you to be unable to vote for them? Haven’t you become the exact model of a Clinton supporter, only from the almighty (R) side of the isle? And then you come here to denigrate us.

There is a sickness in the land...

For four years under a John McCain presidency, the democrats will slander conservatives at will, even saying that they won’t even agree with one of their own, when John pulls what he will. During that time many Republicans will do the same thing, advocating for John. The Republican Party will trash them. John McCain will trash them. The media will trash them.

Sounds like an eventuality I can’t help to put in place. I oppose this scenario with every fiber of my being.

I will not be a part of surrendering to the leftist love fest that is certain to follow a McCain victory.

I would rather have an enemy to focus on and oppose, than an enemy that many of my team want to serve. I will not become a Clinton groupie!

If this turns into a place where “McCain, Day in Pictures” thread are fequent, “Pray for McCain” threads vs “Pray for our Nation” threads... it will have proven my point.

If John McCain wins the Presidency, it will be the end of movement conservatism, and the dawn of the age of the theory of conservatism, for it will not longer be an operating ideology in practice here in the homeland.


273 posted on 02/23/2008 12:34:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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That's one to remember. Thank you.


553 posted on 02/23/2008 5:59:11 PM PST by stentorian conservative (Ignore Napolean's Dogs. . . Vote your conscience.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Great post!


559 posted on 02/23/2008 6:10:24 PM PST by Checkers (McCain: "Hillary Clinton would make a good President.")
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To: DoughtyOne; nicmarlo; PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Fiddlstix; y'all

Super Duper !!!

Check out post #273!


611 posted on 02/23/2008 9:21:25 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: DoughtyOne; nicmarlo; Fiddlstix; potlatch; y'all
We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya

Tweedle Dee is Billary, Tweedle Dumb is the Obamassiah and Tweedle Dumber is McRINO!

So ... do Ah win the cookie??? :)

618 posted on 02/23/2008 9:54:24 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: DoughtyOne; nicmarlo; calcowgirl; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; ...

CLICK ON THE McCHURIAN CANDIDATE

Doughty One, I stipulate the accuracy of your indictment at 273 in every detail. This full enunciation is vital and necessary.

McCain will be handily defeated by the Twelfth Imam from Chicago or by Frau Mao, hence bloviating of dire consequences of treating truthfully with him are moot.

McCain was Soros' point man on the successful assault on our First Amendment right of freedom of political speech.

McCain remains Mexico's mouthpiece on open borders--esplain por favor Juan Hernandez.

McCain will attempt to smother American prosperity in service to the obscene post-Communist plot, "global warming".

McCain attempted to stop the nomination of justices who respect the constitution--he never got that "constitution thing".

McCain doesnt' get that "economic voodoo" thing either--opposing the tax cuts which are the prime engine of prosperity.

McCain never passes up a cheap shot on conservatives--but now thinks conservatives should get on their knees to him.

McCain was the main flack shaming America's reputation over Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and waterboarding--

Waterboarding worked on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, but McCain thinks the mass murderer of three thousand Americans should get the constitutional rights my great to the fifth fought King George for.

McCain covered up evidence of surviving POW-MIAs in cahoots with that vile traitor John Kerry. I missed McCain calling Kerry to account for slandering our fighting men and giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. I did get that McCain crapped on the swiftboaters.

I went door to door for Goldwater when Goldwater had all his faculties.

My posse Young Americans for Freedom had The Sharon Statement and right now the voice of reason in a sea crying for "change" ("change the meaning of conservative") is post 273.

We survived a Goldwater defeat and got Reagan. We survived Carter and got Reagan. We survived the Boland Amendment and got The Wall torn down.

We'll survive this election and get something finer and truer than the current handful of dust.

And finally a word about who dealt this mess.

It was 43 who pushed for open borders and never vetoed pork and lost both houses in 2006.

It was the RNC which let the Leftist media frame the debates, select the candidates, single out McCain, change the rules to allow the predictable crossover voting to select the weakest R candidate.

I fail to grasp the moral imperative mandating acceptance of a candidate selected by execrable policy and enemy forces.

Wild horses cannot compel loyalty to one so disloyal to the constitution and its defenders.

Oh, he's a defender of our fighting forces? Then he can't really support the International Criminal Court stepping in to give Jack Murtha a hand in crucifying those forces--

Yet, he does.

Silence his formalized quibbles, he is a globalist.

No globalists for us, thank you. We're conservative.


621 posted on 02/23/2008 10:02:22 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is even more condesending to challenge them for not wanting to vote for a man who advocated that the MIA issue be laid to rest, so trade with Hanoi could commence.

MIAs and POWs. I do not think though his reason just to restore relations with Hanoi. I think is was that he did not want the stories of many to be told.
663 posted on 02/24/2008 5:07:58 AM PST by John D
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To: DoughtyOne
D1, It's taken me a couple days of hit and miss FReeping to get through all the responses. I'm trying to organize the them to get a clear idea of their substance and then post a response.

One thing I noticed about many and in regards to your first response, my question wasn't why people didn't support McCain, it was why they were trying to get others to do so as well. Peoples opinions on McCain have been posted at great length for some time, pro and con, and they are well known.

Some people will vote for their candidate of choice and be done with it while others will feel a greater need to get others to do so as well by volunteering, talking to friends and neighbors, maybe donating. The second group is compelled by not only the support of a candidates positions but also a great desire to see that person elected.

That goes both ways. Some people will be so offended by a candidate that they could never vote for them and may just stay home on election day or vote for another candidate. Then there are those who feel the need to go the extra distance to make sure that candidate doesn't get elected.

And that was what I didn't understand. Staying home, voting for another candidate or sending a "message" to the RNC made sense, but actively working to get O or H elected didn't. I think I have the answer now, but my question was a good one and not condescending in any way.

699 posted on 02/25/2008 3:58:36 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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