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To: Bokababe

The classical definition of a “sovereign” nation is a nation that can defend itself against its external enemies and impose the rule of law within its borders.

That definition has been stretched in the 20th century, to include many tiny, essentially defenseless nations who are only protected by the good will of other countries, the moral authority of the UN, and the military power of such countries as the United States.

Kosovo will not have the power to protect itself. And it will not have the moral protection of the UN, for what that is worth. It will, apparently, have to recognition of a number of important countries, including much of Europe and the U.S.

But, the question is, will these countries be willing to defend Kosovo if the Serbs decide to reclaim their province, which legally belongs to Serbia? There is no basis in international law for this unilateral declaration of independence.

I wonder if the US and Europe want to fight yet another Balkan war in behalf of the Muslim terrorists? Perhaps much depends on who the next president of the US will be. But Hillary would not want to admit that her husband is wrong, Obama is pro-Muslim, and McCain is an idiot.

And Bush seems to be too stupid or resigned to the situation to do anything but go along with it. In the end, it will boil down to the Kosovars, the Albanians, and the Serbs. Plus the Bosnians. Plus the Russians. Plus the Germans.

Could be the basis for a world war. It’s the right region for it. What stupidity.


10 posted on 02/17/2008 12:07:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

‘Could be the basis for a world war.’

Yep. My thoughts as well.


13 posted on 02/17/2008 12:11:02 PM PST by CJ Wolf (To Join or leave the offical Ron Paul 'let freedom' Ping, Freepmail me.)
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To: Cicero
There is no basis in international law for this unilateral declaration of independence.

You're right. It's obviously time for the United States to be condemned as illegal, since they had "no right under international law to declare unilateral independence" in 1776.
14 posted on 02/17/2008 12:12:48 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Cicero

Do you think Bush might back off if Putin got serious?


25 posted on 02/17/2008 12:33:22 PM PST by isrul
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To: Cicero

...In other, expect Serbia to take Kosovo back?


28 posted on 02/17/2008 12:39:12 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Cicero
"But, the question is, will these countries be willing to defend Kosovo if the Serbs decide to reclaim their province, which legally belongs to Serbia?

Like it or not - we bought into it ten years ago and it's not likely that a future president would step away.

Of course, the same can be said for the Russians.

32 posted on 02/17/2008 12:42:08 PM PST by norton ( There is no longer any choice)
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To: Cicero
In the end, it will boil down to the Kosovars, the Albanians, and the Serbs. Plus the Bosnians. Plus the Russians. Plus the Germans.

Could be the basis for a world war. It’s the right region for it. What stupidity.

The U.N. can't count on the U.S. anymore, we're somewhat over extended already. And no matter who's elected, the idea of sending of Americans over to fight that eternal conflict in middle Europe is not going to sell well. So let the Kosovars, the Albanians, the Serbs, the Bosnians, the Russians, and the Germans finally kill each other off and be happy. Of course, the Russians can't afford it, and the Germans aren't about to try again, but everybody will have a good insulting each other without dragging 3rd parties in this time. Or at least, we can hope...

Everything seems to be stupid these days. How are we a sovereign nation when we have allowed countless millions of illegals to cross our borders, suck our social resources dry in countless places, and then allow the President of Mexico to tell us off every time we even think about doing something to maybe correct things a little? Jorge Bush has been the biggest disappointment, he's been the latest president in selling out our America, and he has less excuse than all the others. He was raised in Texas, was a businessman here for many years, and then was the governor of Texas. He saw the problem first hand for many years as it has increased to a tidal wave of illegals.

Do you have Spanish language only telephone books yet? Do you listen to automated phone call services asking you first if you speak English or Spanish? Do your voting locations have signs in English and Spanish out front with either language voting forms inside?

I'm sorry, you know I'm not venting at you, I'm just bummed in general because I don't know how I can bring myself to vote for McCain. I've never voted 3rd party before.....

35 posted on 02/17/2008 12:57:32 PM PST by xJones
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To: Cicero; Bokababe

“But Hillary would not want to admit that her husband is wrong, Obama is pro-Muslim, and McCain is an idiot.

And Bush seems to be too stupid or resigned to the situation to do anything but go along with it.”

Sort of. McCain has been on the payroll of the terrorist KLA ever since 2000. He is the ultimate source of much of the arms they have used to kill Christian Serbs. Bush is the doting godfather of this misshapen Mohammedan monstrosity. His support for the drug running, sex slaving, Christian killing Albanians of Kosovo is unmatched by any leader except perhaps the likes the King of Saudi Arabia or the leaders of Hamas. Hitlery’s support of this nest of vipers pales to virtual insignificance in the face of that of Bush and McCain. And Obama, well he’s the one candidate who doesn’t seem to have any connection with Kosovo and cannot be demonstrated either to be on the take from the KLA or ready to protect the KLA while it dynamites Christian churches and kills Christians.

There is hope. After all, these are Mohammedans who always overplay their hand, even with the likes of George Bush at their side running interference for them. Perhaps we’ll get lucky and some country will strangle this little monster in its crib. But its more likely that a big war in Europe will be as much part of Bush’s legacy as bombed out Christian Churches across the Balkans and the Levant and Iraq.


36 posted on 02/17/2008 1:02:41 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Cicero
There is no basis in international law for this unilateral declaration of independence.

No basis for unilateral declaration of independence? Well, we might as well pull down the stars and stripes and start flying the union jack again.. Cmon guys, regardless of some problems that might pose from Kosovo independence, if they wish to be a free soverign entity, it is their right of self determination we are stepping on if we don't allow it.. Might as well flush our own Declaration of Independence down the toilet.

61 posted on 02/17/2008 3:04:33 PM PST by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: Cicero
But Hillary would not want to admit that her husband is wrong

I have read reports that she was an architect of this disaster with Mad Halfbright.

And Bush seems to be too stupid or resigned to the situation to do anything but go along with it. In the end, it will boil down to the Kosovars, the Albanians, and the Serbs. Plus the Bosnians. Plus the Russians. Plus the Germans. Could be the basis for a world war. It’s the right region for it. What stupidity.

Yup.

63 posted on 02/17/2008 3:40:01 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Cicero

The last two words of your response are the only ones that makes sense ... they describe perfectly you own remarks. I’ll take them one at a time:

Every “sovereign” country in the world (except the U.S.) can’t successfuly defend themselves from external enemies but they can all make an attempt.

Kosovo already has the moral protection of the U.N.

The NATO troops already stationed in the area make it impossible for another Balkan War. You actually think the current leaders of the free world are stupid enough to risk this by recognizing Kosovo? Stupid people do not run the most powerful nations in the world, stupid people sit back and make stupid comments about people and events they don’t understand.

Kosovars are not Muslim terrorists. Another stupid comment.

Hillary doesn’t give a flip about whether her husband was right or wrong. All he is is her ticket back to the White House and now he’s helped her to lose that ticket.

Obama is NOT pro-Muslim. Not even close. Another stupid remark with no basis in fact.

McCain is one of the greatest war heroes the U.S. has ever produced and smart enough to become one of the most powerful members of the U.S. government ... and also smart enough to pass himself off as a conservative and get the Republican nomination to the presidency.

And Bush is probably one of the most intelligent and forsighted presidents this nation has ever had, possibly exceeded by his younger brother Jeb, but we’ll see in 8 years. You can’t be stupid and succeed in every endeavor you’ve attempted, up to and including becoming the most powerful man in the world.

There already is a world war going on, Islamic fundamentalists against everyone else. Bush sees this, you don’t. Now who’s stupid?


107 posted on 02/18/2008 10:51:03 AM PST by klinglerick (What Stupidity!)
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