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Texas Freepers Voting For Obama In The Primary

Posted on 02/16/2008 4:27:25 PM PST by davidtalker

Need their heads examined.

Sorry for the vanity, but I simply can't remain quiet in the face of loony thinking.

I have seen a few Texas (and the rest of you in remaining primaries) saying they would vote for Obama in the Dem primary. What are you snorting? I understand it's great seeing the Clinton ship go down. However, we want her to get the Rat's nomination. She is far easier a mark than Barry. Polls confirm this too. We also want the Dems to take this race based, identity politics laden primary struggle to continue. We want blood on the floor in Denver. Superdelegates. Battles over the delegations from Michigan and Florida. That won't happen unless the beast starts winning. Personally, I am hoping she wins here in Texas. In Ohio and then Pennsylvania. Barry is going to take Wisconsin Tuesday. Otherwise, Barry is their presumptive nominee. They rally. Time for Hillary and Obama to make nice. Not a good scenario.

Please. Don't vote for Obama March 4th.


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To: ClarenceThomasfan
Look. I don't "hate" anyone. But, when i see HRC I must "pray" to remain true to my beliefs. I have dealt head on with the Klintoons for a long time. If I believed she is rising from the dead and was a greater threat in Nov. I'd never support something as bizarre as voting for her in March.

However, do the math. She's behind by approximately 100 delegates. That rises to more like 120 after Wisconsin. Even if Hillary wins in Tx., Ohio, Pa. and Puerto Rico she's going to barely pull even. Now what? It goes to their convention. Super delegates split. Slime agents like Harold Ickes and Maggie Williams, push for the seating of the Michigan and Fla. delegates. Al Sharpton and Jesse go nuts. None of this happens if Barry wins in Texas.

Media then rally to Barry. He's got time to consolidate power. Unite his Party. Save money he'd be spending otherwise in wrapping up the nomination.

I don't believe the beast can get the nomination at this point. Period. The Dem operatives understand if Barry loses after all of this, there will be incredible hell to pay. Conventional wisdom says super delegates save the beast. I don't think so. Barry must win for Dems to escape in one piece. For conservatives seeking to avoid a November debacle the best scenario is to see the Dem nomination stay competitive. It feels good to see the Clintons go down. But, for the sake of the country we don't want to see them control the whole show after November. A vote for HRC is a vote to keep their bloodletting going.

81 posted on 02/16/2008 5:55:10 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: kempo

No difference? Mccain has an 83 percent rating for conservatives and Hillary has an 8? there is a big difference


82 posted on 02/16/2008 5:57:58 PM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: Ditter

Huh?


83 posted on 02/16/2008 5:58:31 PM PST by Syncro
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To: davidtalker
She is far easier a mark than Barry.

prove it or STFU.

84 posted on 02/16/2008 6:01:43 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Syncro
Texas has an open primary on March 4 We can vote in either dem or Repub. Jim Robinson said to vote Repub and write in anyone other than McCain.
85 posted on 02/16/2008 6:03:01 PM PST by Ditter
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To: davidtalker

You make a convincing case. However, remember that if Obama gets the nomination, the Clinton political machinery will not be working hard to elect Obama. The dems will be split after such a bruising battle. I think the most damage is still coming in the next few weeks. The Clinton’s are like cornered rats right now. Expect them to savage Obama in the next few weeks.


86 posted on 02/16/2008 6:03:12 PM PST by reaganbooster
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To: davidtalker
mikehuckabee.com
87 posted on 02/16/2008 6:03:40 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: cdchik123

I agree. I do not think either can be even McPain solo in the General, but if the ticket is Clinton/Obama, then we’re done.

Hilde will not run as VP.

So, I guess we support Hussein, temporarily...

The we start picking him apart, one vaccuous comment at a time..
Major targets -
1 Muslim
2 Black Panther Church
3 LIVE BIRTH ABORTIONS - for cripes sake, that you be all over the place, 24/7
4 Crack Smoker


88 posted on 02/16/2008 6:08:37 PM PST by acw011 (Texan livin Up North.)
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To: Ditter
I see, thanks

You didn't exactly say that Jim Robinson said to write in Romney, but that is what I got out of your post and I didn't think Jim would say that.

ABBMC...Any Body But Mac Cain

Gotahca

89 posted on 02/16/2008 6:09:49 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Rudder

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1711123,00.html?xid=rss-nation


90 posted on 02/16/2008 6:14:13 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: reaganbooster
...if Obama gets the nomination, the Clinton political machinery will not be working hard to elect Obama.

Exactly

And IMO the Clinton's will work hard and diligently to make sure Obama does not get elected POTUS.

In that event, it will take Hilliary 8 years to run again.

If a Republican gets in, Hilliary can run in 2012.

She is not likely to be able to overthrow an incumbent like MessiaHusseiNObama in 2008.

Her only hope would be if he were to commit Arkancide.

91 posted on 02/16/2008 6:15:48 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Rudder

BTW. Why can’t this be a respectful discussion? From your ID Page. We have a lot in common. Share a similar worldview.


92 posted on 02/16/2008 6:17:20 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: unspun

Sorry. Not going the Huckster route. As many problems as I have with McCain, they pale in significance to the problems I have with the Huckster.


93 posted on 02/16/2008 6:19:26 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: cdchik123

I agree...and, conservatives couldn’t agree on a conservative for the general election,

So, I think Obama would ‘unify’ conservatives the most as dem nominee or president.

***Osbama is not more electable than Hillary! If Hillary wins the nomination we know she’ll pick Osbama as the VP. No way does Osbama pick Hildabeast. I say STOP HER NOW!!!!!***


94 posted on 02/16/2008 6:22:06 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: davidtalker
If Hillary Clinton wins big in Texas and Ohio she will have a lot of momentum and she will be the democrat nominee without any major fight at the convention. We want her to be behind Obama by 150 delegates going to the convention and steal the nominations through the super delegates and other tricks which will ensure her defeat in November.
95 posted on 02/16/2008 6:23:22 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: davidtalker

>> We want blood on the floor in Denver.

No kidding!

That’s why I’m voting for Obama in the primary.

Your reasoning is ‘way off. Don’t you have a clue? THESE ARE THE CLINTOONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I want the vermin put down SOON, and PERMANENTLY. None of that nutty crap about which one is easier for the flawed McPain to beat! That is UNKNOWABLE. And,if he can’t beat EITHER ONE, then he doesn’t deserve to be running.

Did you not hear what Harold Ickes said? Basically, SCREW YOU PEOPLE, VOTES DON’T MATTER, HILLARY WILL WIN. Obama must be up by a LOT for that not to happen.

You want blood in denver, then you want Obama in Texas. You want Clinton, you keep supporting her for “strategeric” reasons. Wise up!


96 posted on 02/16/2008 6:25:08 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: John Robie
If Hillary Clinton wins Ohio an Texas big she will have great momentum and she will be the nominee without the any real fight at the convention. Obama should be ahead of her in delegates when they go to their convention so she will try to steal the nomination by the Super Delegates and then we get our fight and the destruction of the democrat party.
97 posted on 02/16/2008 6:30:39 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: davidtalker

Just noticed you posted the thread. Haven’t seen you around much lately. How’s it going?


98 posted on 02/16/2008 6:31:37 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Nervous Tick
I don't agree. Obama going into the convention up by hundreds of delegates can't be denied. Dem super delegates already split. Pelosi said we can't change the will of the voters. Everyone (including the Clintons) have said Texas is her firewall. Carville said if she loses either Ohio or Texas she's done. He's working for her.

Anyhow, we both share support for Chris Peden. An honest appraisal. What are his chances?

99 posted on 02/16/2008 6:31:38 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: humblegunner

Have you seen this? Obama is much more dangerous.

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Global Poverty Act of 2007 (Introduced in Senate)

S 2433 IS

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 2433
To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

December 7, 2007
Mr. OBAMA (for himself, Mr. HAGEL, and Ms. CANTWELL) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations


A BILL
To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Global Poverty Act of 2007’.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) More than 1,000,000,000 people worldwide live on less than $1 per day, and another 1,600,000,000 people struggle to survive on less than $2 per day, according to the World Bank.

(2) At the United Nations Millennium Summit in 2000, the United States joined more than 180 other countries in committing to work toward goals to improve life for the world’s poorest people by 2015.

(3) The year 2007 marks the mid-point to the Millennium Development Goals deadline of 2015.

(4) The United Nations Millennium Development Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.

(5) On March 22, 2002, President George W. Bush stated: `We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror. We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity. We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it. We fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.’.

(6) The 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `[A] world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human race lives on less than $2 per day, is neither just nor stable. Including all of the world’s poor in an expanding circle of development and opportunity is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of U.S. international policy.’.

(7) The 2006 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `America’s national interests and moral values drive us in the same direction: to assist the world’s poor citizens and least developed nations and help integrate them into the global economy.’.

(8) The bipartisan Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States recommends: `A comprehensive United States strategy to counter terrorism should include economic policies that encourage development, more open societies, and opportunities for people to improve the lives of their families and enhance prospects for their children.’.

(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world’s poorest nations.

(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the United Nations Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

(11) The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(12) In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs.

(13) In January 2007, the Department of State’s Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance. The official goal of United States foreign assistance is: `To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system.’.

(14) Economic growth and poverty reduction are more successful in countries that invest in the people, rule justly, and promote economic freedom. These principles have become the core of several development programs of the United States Government, such as the Millennium Challenge Account.

SEC. 3. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

SEC. 4. REQUIREMENT TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY.

(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(b) Content- The strategy required by subsection (a) shall include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables to achieve the objectives described in subsection (a).

(c) Components- The strategy required by subsection (a) should include the following components:

(1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other development goals, such as combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, reducing hunger and malnutrition, and improving access to and quality of education at all levels regardless of gender.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

(d) Reports-

(1) INITIAL REPORT-

(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the strategy required under subsection (a).

(B) CONTENT- The report required under subparagraph (A) shall include the following elements:

(i) A description of the strategy required under subsection (a).

(ii) An evaluation, to the extent possible, both proportionate and absolute, of the contributions provided by the United States and other national and international actors in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(iii) An assessment of the overall progress toward achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(2) SUBSEQUENT REPORTS- Not later than December 31, 2012, and December 31, 2015, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees reports on the status of the implementation of the strategy, progress made in achieving the global poverty reduction objectives described in subsection (a), and any changes to the strategy since the date of the submission of the last report.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES- The term `appropriate congressional committees’ means—

(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.

(2) EXTREME GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `extreme global poverty’ refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $1 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(3) GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `global poverty’ refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $2 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals’ means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).


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100 posted on 02/16/2008 6:31:48 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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