Rameumptom -
Your first paragraph is basically a statement that Mitt Romney reached out to Evangelicals, simply by promising not to push religion down their throats - is it that easy? Maybe despite his reaching out, they weren’t as dumb as he thought? Or maybe his reaching out was another of countless deceits to win the nomination - every candidate needs evangelical support to some degree or they will not win. Kind of like doing something you hate to do but is necessary for survival. It wasn’t genuine. And Huckabee could easily make the same promise of not running religion down anyone’s throat.
Secondly, you accuse Huckabee of tribalism because in your perception, he didn’t reach out to Mormons? Huckabee doesn’t just reach out to Christians ... he has a huge Conservative following because he is the clear remaining Conservative choice. I know the media would have you believe otherwise.
Look at Utah results - 90% for Mitt, and 5% for McCain, 1% for Huckabee??? Gee, I wonder why that happened - I guess Mitt was truly the best choice??? Do you think that seems a little tribal? I don’t think a candidate has even scored that high in their own home state...
Thirdly, and I really hate to depart from the core discussion, but Mormonism is a cult. I recently had 2 Mormon missionaries over my house 2 weeks ago for about an hour and a half.
The reason I believe Mormon’s become so outraged emotionally is because they have some real distorted practices that the average Mormon can’t defend. Such as:
1. They basically believe in a prophetic era in North America that cannot be substantiated by any historical facts, no findings, no nothing, etc...
2. Polygamy was practiced by Joseph Smith when it was clearly forbidden by God in Old and New Testament. When I asked them why Joseph Smith defied God in this manner, they told me: There was a war in Mexico, and when all of the men had to go and fight, God told Joseph Smith to “take care of their women”. Gee - what a noble calling! I guess you just can’t argue that against him why he stole their wives, commited adultery, defied God with more than one wife, lied, and just about anything else that goes along with that.
3. Joseph Smith brought a message to the people that the Mormons are God’s preserved priesthood that he is restoring for our day - a time like no other.
So let’s see:
Made up story with no historical fact, taking up women by God’s authority and controlling people for your own pleasure, and self-establishing yourself as ultimate authority as intercessor between man and God ... Doesn’t that make you just want to question the whole Mormon thing?
I just can’t figure out why Mormon’s get so angry when people bring to light their own beliefs, spoken and written by their own people? If discussion of your own beliefs creates such anger - you may want to look deep down inside and reflect why you really believe in it - without thinking that any opposition comes from an apostate.
Cast a vote the American Way - according to your values and not Ann’s or Rush’s! This primary is not about electability (which steals your individual vote), it’s who you want!
Thanks for your response!
This I gotta see.....
No, the South sold us out long before the race was down to Huck and McCain. Rudy was first in the polls until a few months before the vote. Then they went with McCain and Huck over the more conservative Thompson, Romney and Hunter. Huck is conservative on life but that is about it. He repeatedly lied about Romney and other candidates during the Primary saying he (Huck) was the only one who supported a Federal Marraige Amendment. The problem when you start selling your Christianity on your sleeve is that when you start lying it makes all of us who follow Jesus look bad.
Huck went out of his way to insult Mormons. It is the same thing McCain did to Evangelicals in 2000. Most Evangelicals didn't vote for McCain in 2000 b/c he dissed them openly. Huck did the same thing to Mormons more than once this go around. Rush excoriated him for it. Just as Rush excoriated McCain for it in 2000.
>>Look at Utah results - 90% for Mitt, and 5% for McCain, 1% for Huckabee??? Gee, I wonder why that happened
Most Utahn's didn't know who Romney was until he came in to save them from the debt and scandal ridden Olympics. Mo Udall didn't get any traction in Utah when he ran for President.
Now on to the tired cult charges...
>>>1. They basically believe in a prophetic era in North America that cannot be substantiated by any historical facts, no findings, no nothing, etc...
You mean you are going to believe the same scientists that gave us "Global Warming" as some kind of authority on Book of Mormon evidences? That's rich. Google "Izapa stela 5" or "Olmecs" and "Iron ore" or "Chiasmus". Though I don't expect evidentiary support to convince you. The same scientists tried to say the Bible was false b/c it mentions lions in Israel which was unsupported by the archeological evidence. Finally, in 1947 someone found Lion bones in Israel. Of course it didn't convert any of the scientists they just move on to another topic. Like, "where is the Ark?".
>>>>Polygamy was practiced by Joseph Smith when it was clearly forbidden by God in Old and New Testament
Try googling the Prophet Nathan and "Thus saith the Lord".... aww forget it here is the reference. Notice how it says "thus saith the Lord" when Nathan gave David extra wives but condemned him for adultery outside of marraige and killing Uriah.
2 Sam. 12:7-9 7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
Martin Luther and St. Augustine admitted the OT polygamy was sanctioned by God. It's fine with me if you choose not believe in it's modern day practice, as I don't either, but the OT biblical pronouncements on the subject don't fit your agenda.
>>>There was a war in Mexico, and when all of the men had to go and fight, Joseph Smith
As Romney once said in the debate to Huckabee in reference to his economic policies. "Facts are stubborn things." And "You Make up Facts faster than you talk." Joseph Smith was killed before the Mormon Battalion was called up to March for the War on Mexico. BTW, the Mormon Battallion has the US military record for longest overland march. It's something I'm proud of.
>>>3. Joseph Smith brought a message to the people that the Mormons are God’s preserved priesthood that he is restoring for our day - a time like no other.
Yup. I agree you don't have any Priesthood authority. It's pretty simple really. Catholics claim the "original" authority. Protestants claim Catholics lost it on the way and we got the "reformation". Mormons claim a reformation couldn't get it back but God had to with a "restoration". So we are a restorationsist church. (Incidentally, Thompson belongs to a restorationist Christian church which rejects the post apostolic creeds as well).
>>Cast a vote the American Way
My Mormon ancestors (as well as Romney's) converted in the 1840's here in America, and before the Restoration of 1830 some family lines go back to the Founding Fathers in the 1700's and 1600's. So a vote for Romney would have been a very American thing to do.
But anyway. Romney is out of the race so this discussion we are having is beating a dead horse a bit. I won't vote for Huck just as Evangelicals wouldn't vote for McCain in 2000. He could apologize for lying about my faith I suppose, which would be the "Christian" thing to do. An apology would help me see him more favorably but I still wouldn't vote for him based on his liberalism.