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To: Leisler

Okay, so the rule of law is not safe? The government wants to turn everyone into a felon, so therefore even felons must be eligible to own firearms? Perhaps you subscribe to the grand conspiracy concept, huh?

Murderers? Rapists? Bank Robbers? Terrorists? Even if they have been convicted by a jury of their peers?

You have got to be kidding! You are promoting foolish sentiment. While I know that all men are created equal, in terms of the self-evident right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, once we begn making decisions, equality ends. Those that decide to deprive others of their essential liberty via coercion, violence etc, lose their right to the same. Laws of government, idealy will be fair and applied correctly (yes, one must have faith in the rule of law!).

In our historic background, English common law, concepts of justice, biblical law and our own adaptations which resulted in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is the best man has ever produced.

While I do agree that we are being over-burdened by excessive laws and regulations, the basics of human justice must be upheld.

To that end we must debar those that are defective in their behaviors-while being careful on how we define that exactly.

I tend to be inclined to apply these principles rather stricly-if one is convicted of certain crimes, the reuslt should be death, while other crimes may result in imprisonment or fine etc.

I too understand that my warrant to defend myself comes not from the 2nd Amendment, but from my inalienable, God-given right to life; the 2nd simply enumerates that empowerment along with other critical endowments by my God (other amendments).

To say that criminals should be allowed the very means to perpetrate additional crime just because they have the “same” right as peaceful citizens is ludicrous if not plain stupid.

Certainly there could be debate on what constitutes a disqualification, but felons are defined by their actions, hence I agree with the disbarring of cetain rights based on that behavior.

The bibilcal parallel is if your ox gores (aberrant behavior for an ox) another person; the ox is to be killed as it will continue to gore others that may pass.

God Bless


59 posted on 02/16/2008 5:09:13 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: Manly Warrior
That is correct. The rule of law( what ever that means ) is not safe.

What the Nazi did, was done under German/Nazi law. Popular notion were that somehow soldiers just showed up and took you away, where in fact laws were passed in the Reichstag's and administratively enforced by various state security bureaucracies.

Not one German judge or lawyer was ever charged.
Ditto Soviet trials.

How do you think in a modern age tyranny would be? With King George and soldiers in Red Coats? Or do you think it would ( quite efficiently ) use the existing forms of state power?

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It is not that the government wants to turn everyone in felons but that it must happen. Every year, more activities which used to be un-lawed are brought into law and made criminal. Every day, each legislator and the federal government pass yet more laws. Most if not all have penalties. Up until the moment the law was passed, the activity or property was legal, the minute after, you or it are criminal.

You must not get around much. Criminals post convictions have all the guns they want. By definition, they don’t obey the law. As it is the law now just makes itself look like a fool.

I have zero, no faith in the abilities of state officials in judging future behaviors. No even if they could see into the hearts of men, I have no faith in the state to effectively monitory or control save by prisons.

61 posted on 02/16/2008 5:38:59 AM PST by Leisler
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