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The McCain Conundrum
12/14/2008 | KMAJ2

Posted on 02/15/2008 12:18:31 AM PST by KMAJ2

Other than the socialist Mike Huckabee and isolationist Ron Paul, John McCain was at the bottom of my list for a preferred candidate. On the other side of the equation, it is looking like Barack Hussein Obama may overrun the ice queen Hitlery Clinton. What makes that scary is Obama is to the left of the ice queen.

I have read posts from both sides of the McCain debate, the 'if you don't vote for McCain it is a vote for the democrat' gang and the 'I will not subjugate my conservative principles and vote for McCain' crowd. Personally, I support the rights (read freedom) of everyone to make such choices.

For me, my vote will be guided by my own priorities. What do I value most ? What is most important ? The scale weighed on one side love of country and on the other love of ideology. My country always comes first. So as distasteful as it will be to vote for McCain, to allow either Marxist, Hitlery or Obama, to win is to sell out my country.

Is your ideology more important then your country ? Do you only love your country if the elected leaders are those who mirror your ideological beliefs ? If one is willing to hand your country over to leaders who are clearly worse than the alternative, then one clearly loves their country, but they love their ideology more. But that is the unique trait of a free people, they have the freedom to place that order on their priorities.


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: democat; democrats; hillary; liberals; liberalvalues; mccain; mcmexico; obama; rino; yayanothervanity
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To: FR Class of 1998

I don’t disagree with that. I don’t fully understand why FR did the purge in the first place, but I wasn’t a Rudy guy anyway, and really wasn’t concerned about it.

But if they saw fit to clean out FR over Rudy’s candidacy, they certainly can’t hold McCain to the same standard and do any differenty.

The tendency of good Freepers to excuse a leftist is mindboggling.


101 posted on 02/15/2008 5:11:51 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: FR Class of 1998

Well, Miers is not the Supreme Court justice, is she? Alito is. In Bush, we had a president who actually listened to his conservative base, so when we bitched and moaned about Miers, he capitulated and pulled her in favor of Alito.

If people like you get their way and Hillary or Obama become president, what do you think the response to our complaints will be when they send Ginsburg clones up to the court? I already know the answer:

“Better put ice on that...”


102 posted on 02/15/2008 5:12:02 AM PST by Deo et Patria ("Don't taze me, bro!")
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To: John Robie

I was a Hunter supporter. I voted for Paul, since he was the only conservative in the race at the time.


103 posted on 02/15/2008 5:12:56 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: John Robie
If conservatives abandon the Republican they do nothing but ensure that our nation will be dominated by the left.

By sticking with the Republican party as it moved left, we have already insured that outcome. Is it wise to continue to put our stamp of approval on this process?

104 posted on 02/15/2008 5:13:35 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (Government vending: Insert Paycheck and Press '4' for English)
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To: central_va

You left out all the American that will get killed and our allies in Iraq and Afghanistan who will all be killed. That will be really great won’t it.

Maybe you missed the fact that Obama will be commander and cheif of the armed forces and our chief executive. Those are actually important roles to play. In fact, an Obama presidency may even have an effect on the country.

We will also need warrants to monitor international phone calls. You all need to wake up to what an Obama Presidency will mean for this country.


105 posted on 02/15/2008 5:14:08 AM PST by John Robie
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To: John Robie

Are you a Hussein plant since 1-10-2008?


106 posted on 02/15/2008 5:15:30 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: FR Class of 1998

McCain stood against the most liberal aspect of the recent Republican leadership, which was there out of control spending.


107 posted on 02/15/2008 5:16:00 AM PST by John Robie
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To: Paladin2

No I am voting for McCain. You are sitting home to get Obama elected so you support Obama.


108 posted on 02/15/2008 5:18:23 AM PST by John Robie
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To: Deo et Patria

In McCain, we have a candidate who has told us in no unclear terms that the only way in which our opinion matters to him is that it will influence him to do the opposite.

When McCain nominates his Miers, this time we won’t get listened to.

As far as Bush, he has listened to us maybe once a year so far, otherwise acting like a big time transnational socialist. Roberts and Alito are great, but I think in the balance even they do not come close to mitigating the damage on almost all other fronts.


109 posted on 02/15/2008 5:18:51 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (Government vending: Insert Paycheck and Press '4' for English)
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To: John Robie
"McCain.......out of control spending"

McCain is a known crook and gigolo with no sympathy for the average American.

110 posted on 02/15/2008 5:19:04 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: John Robie

You’re a leftist then. You’re supporting McCain so you support socialism.


111 posted on 02/15/2008 5:21:34 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: KMAJ2
Is your ideology more important then your country ?

This is a false dichotomy. I am conservative because it is the only sane ideology through which a great country like ours can be run. I abhor modern liberalism (i.e.: socialism) because it is, essentially, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

This is a straw man argument, in which you have constructed a false set of choices, and merits no further discussion.

112 posted on 02/15/2008 5:21:56 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: John Robie

Sorry Buddy! I will NOT Continue to Fight My Own Party. After all Stupid Is, What Stupid Does!
If the GOP does not care about what their base cares about, then it’s really not my party anymore now is it? The Republicans keep moving more and more to the left and I will not go with them or help them get there.

I really do not care who the wins in November because none of them represent me and my values anyways.
When the republicans had all 3 houses they were worst than the Rats, so don’t try and feed me the better than Osama/Clinton Bull$hit Okay.

Maybe when McAmnesty goes down in Flames in November the GOP will get the message loud and clear that we Will Not Fight Our Own Party Anymore. After all Stupid Is, What Stupid Does!


113 posted on 02/15/2008 5:22:12 AM PST by TC Builders
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To: John Robie

After decades of practicing corruption, he is not credible in that stance. It is very similar to his campaign finance stance - this member of the Keating 5 reacting to his own personal faults, rather than doing the honorable thing and realizing that a person who is so prone to corruption and graft should not be in that position in the first place. His policies say, “Stop me before I engage in corruption again - left up to my own devices, I cannot stop myself.”


114 posted on 02/15/2008 5:23:34 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (Government vending: Insert Paycheck and Press '4' for English)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
FReepers who have been around since before 2000 are either incredibly thoughtful and insightful or kinda nuts. JR falls into the former category. Others the latter. . .

You epitomize your tagline with insulting comments like that, FRiend.

115 posted on 02/15/2008 5:25:24 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: John Robie

I never said this was going to be pain free. There is going to be a battle between socialism and liberty loving people. Let the battle begin now, McCain just sustains the status quo.


116 posted on 02/15/2008 5:26:09 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: TC Builders

Nice rant. Couldn’t have said it better.


117 posted on 02/15/2008 5:26:53 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks, it’s just how I feel.

I have always fought against the Rats. Now either I have a party that is going to help me in that fight or it is going to join with the rats and fight against me. The Republican party has become no more than what the Rats used to be and I will not aid them in going further to the so called center.


118 posted on 02/15/2008 5:30:35 AM PST by TC Builders
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To: MortMan; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

That was a compliment, not an insult. At least I read it that way.


119 posted on 02/15/2008 5:30:55 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (Government vending: Insert Paycheck and Press '4' for English)
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To: TC Builders

Did you bother to watch what happened in Congress yesterday. It seems to me that Republicans are opposing the Democrats on a few important issues, such as whether or not we are going to spy on terrorists. Seems like a real difference to me.

I have plenty I do not like about the party, but their is no equivalency between the two political parties in this country.


120 posted on 02/15/2008 5:31:32 AM PST by John Robie
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