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Secret Is Out: RUSH Helps McCain
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | February 14, 2008 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 02/14/2008 9:21:51 PM PST by Yosemitest

RUSH: So Chris Matthews not buying my secret plan, and neither did Chatsworth Osborne, Jr.
One more, before we go to the break.
This is John King. (Is this right?) It was CNN's election center. The anchor is Campbell Brown, there's a panel discussion now. Larry Elder, Jeffrey Toobin, and John King about me and McCain. And Campbell Brown says,


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KEYWORDS: election; liberal; liberalagenda; liberalvalues; mccain; msm; rush; rushmccain; talkradio
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To: Mr. Silverback
Ultimately, you are correct. Duncan Hunter had to play the cards he was dealt. My comments had more to do with Rush's tantrums over the last few weeks. He brought this upon himself.

Some posts from about a month ago will give you my line of thinking.

Connecting the Dots

Connecting the Dots – Supplemental

121 posted on 02/15/2008 2:43:00 PM PST by Little_GTO (Don't be a Schmuck, vote for Huck. He's Duncan Hunter approved.)
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To: John Robie

He didn’t oppose conservative justices, he didn’t make deals to keep from using the “nuclear option”, he gave tax reductions, and most of all he never said H!llary would be a good president. I can give you more, but I’m tired of thinking of that Liberal, McShame.


122 posted on 02/15/2008 4:08:57 PM PST by Safetgiver (By the way, that means defecating on the local convenience store.)
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To: John Robie

AND, he never colluded with Kerry to ignore our POW’s in Viet Nam so Kerry’s relatives could open trade with the VN (Communist) government.


123 posted on 02/15/2008 4:15:21 PM PST by Safetgiver (By the way, that means defecating on the local convenience store.)
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To: roamer_1
Now might you answer a question for me? What makes you think that putting a traitorous bastard in command would be any better? Shall our troops be forced to salute one so devoid of honor simply because he is "our" traitorous bastard?

Even if that characterization of McCain were accurate, you have admitted you are willing to saddle them with an unqualified Dem traitor instead of a Republican "traitor" who will at least prosecute the war and has a pro-military voting record..

Please, don't start thinking you're doing the troops any favors by saddling them with Hillary or Obama. That dog won't hunt.

124 posted on 02/15/2008 4:34:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: End Times Crusader
Get a clue. There is an active attempt by the fringe including Windbag to sabotage the election. We ignore it at our own peril.

Uh-huh. OK, I'll file that in the same file with all the predictions that Rush would endorse a certain candidate, and all the posts where people said he'd become a lib because he didn't spend three hours a day busting on Bush, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

125 posted on 02/15/2008 4:49:18 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: IreneE

Okay, I’ll bite. What are the three ways?


126 posted on 02/15/2008 4:59:26 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Even if that characterization of McCain were accurate, you have admitted you are willing to saddle them with an unqualified Dem traitor instead of a Republican "traitor" who will at least prosecute the war and has a pro-military voting record..

One traitor is no different than the next, and if one is willing to betray his political fellows, what makes you think he would not betray his brothers in arms?

Please, don't start thinking you're doing the troops any favors by saddling them with Hillary or Obama. That dog won't hunt.

Who said I thought such a thing? I don't believe any of the available candidates will do our troops any favors.

127 posted on 02/15/2008 5:49:52 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: TigersEye
Your post to me is entirely irrational and hysterical.

Uh-huh. Sure it was.

You asked a specific question and I gave you a specific reply backed up with evidence to support my position.

Well, let's take a look at that, shall we? I picked just one piece of that "mountain of evidence" and held it up to the light, specifically this one. In it, Devvy Kidd quotes Ted Sampley a lot, and then goes on to quoting McCain himself. She shares some stuff from a 1973 U.S. News & World Report article he wrote, stuff that is almost word for word repeated in his book "Faith of My Fathers." Here's the quote:

The following is McCain's own admission of collaboration in an article he wrote, printed May 14, 1973 in U.S. News and World Report: "I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to us - a man dying of a broken leg. Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.

"When I saw it, I said to the guard, `O.K., get the officer.'"

"An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, `O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"

But what about the part she left out? I don't know if it was in the U.S. News article, but it was in "Faith," on page 191:

I didn't intend to keep up my word, reasoning that after my injuries had been treated, I would be strong enough to deal with the consequences of not holding up my end of the bargain.

On subsequent pages he admits that he did give up his real squadron and ship (information the Vietnamese almost certainly already had) but otherwise gave them false information, like giving the names of the Green Bay offensive line when told he would only receive medical care if he gave up pilot names. They also fail to mention that when he was told he would be filmed saying certain statements or he would not receive further care and his cast would be removed, he said he would not make any such statements. So, here's a guy who believed he would only survive if he received medical care immmediately, and set out to trick his captors (who often didn't provide medical care for pilots with serious injuries, but just let them die) into giving it. Yet there are people like Kidd and Sampley who either don't want us to know the whole story, or could care less what the whole story is.

Just so you know, you're the third person this week (the other two were off FR) who has pointed me to a story about McCain that describes his medical care ploy as a total cave and lies by omission about it. Sampley's site even portrays the Forrestal fire as a case of McCain "losing" a Navy jet. Both of those folks were honorable men, decorated combat veterans I'd wholeheartedly trust with my life. They were deceived...perhaps you were as well. Notice also how Kidd's article has so many charges that it provides no backup for, quotes so many sources not identified, even quotes a guy who says he took film of certain events and another guy who says he has 4,500 photos of events related to the Hilton and treatment of pilots...but where's the film? Where are the pictures? Apparently Kidd also never asks herself, "If what McCain did was collaboration, treason and a court martial offense, why was he writing about it in a national magazine while he was still wearing the uniform?"

Now, I'm not saying all your evidence is crap (I even used a couple of them myself earlier in the primary season) but it looks like you just collect stuff critical of McCain and don't give any real thought to how well the evidence actually holds up. What other conclusion can I reach when you're using articles from Devvy "The Oklahoma City Bombing Was an Inside Job" Kidd?

I don't even know who Bud Day is.

George "Bud" Day is the most decorated living American, and he received the Medal of Honor for his resistance against the Vietnamese torturers, because it nearly killed him. He wrote a book about it called "Return With Honor." He was also McCain's cellmate at the time McCain was supposedly "collaborating" with the North Vietnamese. And guess what? He endorsed McCain. To believe McCain was a collaborator, you pretty much have to believe Bud Day was a traitor, too.

I wasn't at the Hilton. I'm figuring you weren't. Bud Day was there. Maybe you should know who Day and guys like him were before you start posting lists of "evidence" about what went on in the Hilton.

128 posted on 02/15/2008 5:54:37 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: Little_GTO

Thanks for the links. I hope McCain is smart enough to find a national security post for Hunter.


129 posted on 02/15/2008 6:00:43 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: roamer_1

OK, try not to give the nice men with the robes and long beards too much trouble when they come by the house to show you how to worship your new moon god. Oh, and when they take your TV, lift with your legs when you help them carry it to the truck.


130 posted on 02/15/2008 6:04:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: snowrip
People can't stand the fact that, aside from the conflict in Iraq, McCain's position on every major issue is IDENTICAL to that of Hillary and Obama.

1. Well, that sshould be enough differencee, shouldn't it?If I had a choice between Hillary and Joe Lieberman (or FDR and Jimmy Carter) that would be a no-brainer. (See tagline.)

2. Really? McCain wants to gut the terrorist surveilllance program? Obama does, he just tried it in a vote the other day...and McCain voted the opposite way.

131 posted on 02/15/2008 6:10:46 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: FourtySeven

You rock! Great post.


132 posted on 02/15/2008 6:11:54 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: Walkingfeather

I love how you guys always think that everyone who isn’t ready to march off the cliff with you works for the RNC. Here’s a tip: You don’t have to work at the RNC, be a RINO or even be anything less than a hardcore conservative to vote for McCain. You just have to realize that it is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.


133 posted on 02/15/2008 6:19:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: TigersEye

Don’t lump him in with the rest of us! I have no desire to change the GOP, but instead to bring it together, smack Hillary or Obama and minimize the damage McCain does.


134 posted on 02/15/2008 6:21:39 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
(information the Vietnamese almost certainly already had)

Entirely speculation on your part. It gives your POV no substantive support.

Just so you know, you're the third person this week (the other two were off FR) who has pointed me to a story about McCain that describes his medical care ploy as a total cave and lies by omission about it.

I did not point you to that article specifically, endorse it or mention the subject. You picked that out of 79 links. Presumably because you could make a point with it. But you have to hedge your points and prop them up with personal assumptions.

Now, I'm not saying all your evidence is crap (I even used a couple of them myself earlier in the primary season) but it looks like you just collect stuff critical of McCain and don't give any real thought to how well the evidence actually holds up.

I don't want McCain to be our President. That is true. CFR is all I needed to know about in that respect. He is unfit for command on that basis alone. I collect the links and share them because I want people to be informed about what kind of repugnant anti-American weasel McCain is. I have removed ONE link because it was shown to me to be ridiculous garbage. There are a lot of links there and I didn't vet them all either to cull those that don't support my agenda or decide that they were overboard. I made a reasonable effort to see that each provided some substantial information from sources that could be checked. I didn't annoint myself the arbiter of truth or falsehood in regards to them. I leave it to anyone interested in looking at them to make up their own minds.

What other conclusion can I reach when you're using articles from Devvy "The Oklahoma City Bombing Was an Inside Job" Kidd?

That would be a reasonable criterion, depending on your knowledge of that author that I don't share, to cast doubt on that author's work. What about the other 78 links?

Maybe you should know who Day and guys like him were before you start posting lists of "evidence" about what went on in the Hilton.

And maybe you should build your own list of articles supporting McCain.

None of this has had anything to do with your original question, my reply to it, or your hysterical reply to that.

135 posted on 02/15/2008 6:21:40 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I didn’t lump him in with anyone other than the rash of trolls that have recently joined to tell us how conservative McCain is. Three months ago there were only three FReepers willing to defend McCain. Now there are a lot.


136 posted on 02/15/2008 6:25:10 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Here is another list of links on McCain that I didn't collect.
They came from a thread posted in 2000.

FR links on McCain's record from Feb. 2000. MrChips collection.

137 posted on 02/15/2008 6:27:56 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: allmendream
So then, why would we need Mike Huckabee to ‘fight for a classless society’ if we already have one?

Because it is a principle -- an ideal that we must own up to. All have the same, equal rights. That is so elementary, one shouldn't have to explain it to you -- and I'm not going to wast my time in a conceptual miasma with you being the audience for my describing Huckabee's policies. I've got people in Wisconsin to call.

You are the one focusing on communism. Go fixate on Karl Marx somewhere, but don't troll me. You're annoying.

138 posted on 02/15/2008 6:30:40 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
OK, try not to give the nice men with the robes and long beards too much trouble when they come by the house to show you how to worship your new moon god. Oh, and when they take your TV, lift with your legs when you help them carry it to the truck.

No different than what the secularists are doing when indoctrinating my children in the schools... Something the Pubbies have had a couple of decades to clean up. Guess they've been too busy stuffing their pockets to worry about such honorable pursuits.

139 posted on 02/15/2008 6:38:07 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I gave you a reasonable non-emotional response to your original question and I got this from you...

Wow, another member of the suicide squad who thinks that if you don’t agree with them it’s because you think McCain is the second coming of Reagan.

That is so typical of how McCain supporters act that I don't know why I shouldn't lump you in with them. You all act just like John Sydney McCain. Horse's asses.

140 posted on 02/15/2008 6:38:10 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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