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Mormonism Didn't Sink Romney
AmericanSpectator ^ | 2/14/2008 | Philip Klein

Posted on 02/14/2008 9:12:59 AM PST by JRochelle

Snip Let us not forget that Romney snapped his fingers before the election and decided to become a conservative by switching his positions on a litany of key issues, even though his past record was moderate. There were endless gaffes throughout the campaign in which he reinforced the well-earned perception that he would say anything to get elected--from describing himself as a lifelong hunter even though he had hunted only twice, for saying he watched his father march with MLK, for claiming an endorsement of the NRA he never received, etc.

He also failed to emotionally connect with voters. I would go to Romney speeches all year, and talk to audience members after who would tell me they agreed with what he said, but he was "too slick" and "too packaged." It never ceased to amaze me how emotionally tone deaf he was as a candidate, most notable was when he said his sons were serving their country by working to get him elected. I went to a townhall meeting just days before the New Hampshire primary in which a woman said her 26-year old cousin had been paralyzed in a rugby accident, and she asked Romney for his position on stem cell research. Romney responded, "Great, thank you for the question" and he went on with a textbook answer about pluripotent cells without offering any sympathy. Romney's checklist conservatism appealed to desperate conservatives on a cerebral level, but he never reached people emotionally as Huckabee and McCain did. If you want to know why McCain beat Romney, look no further than the final debate between them at the Reagan Library. When they were asked why Reagan would endorse them, Romney recited a laundry list of issues on which Reagan would have agreed with him, while McCain

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KEYWORDS: 2008; faith; fakeconservative; lds; ldschurch; mormon; mormonism; romney
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To: FourtySeven
So everything mentioned in the OP were "lies, distortions and exaggerations"?

Pretty much.

As I see it, Romney flipped on one major issue and two minor ones.

The major issue was abortion.

The minor ones were the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and Federal anti-discrimination laws for gays.

In 13 years ago, he said he did not think the "don't ask, don't tell" policy would work. After seeing that it did work, he changed his mind. Big deal.

Back in 1994, he supported anti-discrimination laws for gays at the Federal level. Now he thinks they're more appropriate at the state level. Big deal.

And that, my friends, is the sum total of his flips. That's a pretty short list for any politician.

He never actually flip-flopped, as far as I can tell.

121 posted on 02/14/2008 10:51:25 AM PST by curiosity
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To: JohnnyZ
His flip-flops are well-documented.

Only in your imagination.

122 posted on 02/14/2008 10:51:57 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Antoninus
That is an absolute myth. RomneyCare is already running severely over budget. And there’s already talk about a federal bailout of the system that appears headed toward failure a mere two years after its inception.

If the feds have to bail out RomneyCare, Flip will never get elected anything as a Republican. Maybe as a Democrat...


BS You are assuming Romney agrees with everything that happened or that he wanted the MA model to be replicated nation wide.
It all depends on how Romney interprets what is happening.
The experiment in MA did us all a favor. Better that than doing the experiment nation wide as Hillary would do.
If it fails in MA, either we will see why it failed and fix it, or we will decide to scrap the idea all together.
I welcome the test case in MA. Now we can talk about health care using facts and not just expectations.
123 posted on 02/14/2008 10:52:01 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: nmh

he’s still more right than Bush.


124 posted on 02/14/2008 10:57:13 AM PST by ari-freedom (True conservatives don't help Democrats win.)
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To: ari-freedom
What else would RomonyCare be but forced, government forced, spending on medical corporations, doctors, drug companies and such? This in a industry very heated and under massive inflation pressures due to government spending?

Same goes for the Utah Olympics, in which local Utah business owners were rewarded, along with a small number of spectators that got to see world class athletes at subsidized by working taxpayers.

Republicans are into welfare as much as Democrats, just different. Just like Hastert bought some land near a federal highway, and lo and behold, a highway on/off ramp was then approved, vastly raising the land he bought and then sold.

125 posted on 02/14/2008 10:57:35 AM PST by Leisler
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To: broncobilly

broncobilly: “It was the rants about how terrible Mormonism was. “They are not Christian They are a cult. They have many Gods. They wear magic underwear. They were racists before 1978. And on and on.” That was the bigotry, not the discussions of flip-flopping.”

It’s not bigotry to call Mormonism a cult. Since Mormonism displays the traits of a cult, it’s reasonable to call it one.


126 posted on 02/14/2008 11:01:10 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Member of CRAM - Conservative Resigned to Accept McCain)
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To: CitizenUSA
Oh yeah, opinion, right. Like the push polling that the Hucksterbee campaign did in Iowa and SC where they overtly attacked Romney's mormonism, i.e. "Would you vote for mormon if you knew they worshipped the devil." Then there the references by Huckster himself when he said mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers. Then there is my connected evangelical friend who said he would never vote for a mormon and writes articles supporting Huckesterbee on that fact alone.

Silly me, its all just my wild imagination.

127 posted on 02/14/2008 11:03:28 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Leisler

that’s exactly why I really don’t have such a problem with mccain. Bush and Hastert were for ‘compassionate conservatism.’ McCain will have none of that.


128 posted on 02/14/2008 11:03:41 AM PST by ari-freedom (True conservatives don't help Democrats win.)
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To: JohnnyZ
On almost every Romney thread, criticisms of Mitt's liberalism and flip-flopping were met with at least one cry of "Bigotry!".

EXACTLY!! I followed most of those threads, and even joined in on occasion. There were 2 seperate conversations going on in those. Mitt's flip flopping, and a completely seperate discussion of Mormon doctrine. It was the Mittbots that tied the two together. I guess it grows from a lifelong history of victimhood. Sorry, but it's there clearly for anyone to see. As a former FredHead, once he was out I was leaning toward Mitt, despite his flip flops, simply because he was "sounding" like the most conservative one left. At the same time, I still held to my belief that the LDS doctrine is hatched from the pits of hell. But, I am voting for a president, not a spiritual leader. And before he dropped out, he was the closest to my beliefs....unfortunately.

One curious thing that I've noticed among all this "poor me, I'm a victim" attitude. Mitt was the only one who DIDN'T portray that trait. Perhaps his ardent supporterd would have done well to mirror that image, instead of the constant whining.
129 posted on 02/14/2008 11:05:07 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: FourtySeven

Don’t be stupid. How can “many of” be read as “everything.”


130 posted on 02/14/2008 11:05:54 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: curiosity
In 2006 Governor Romney supported the President’s immigration policy as well as the McCain-Kennedy bill. He expressed support for an immigration program that places large numbers of illegal residents on the path toward citizenship and said illegal immigrants should have a chance to obtain citizenship.

Now Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney says he ‘’strongly opposes'’ the immigration plan also denounced by conservatives even though his public statements suggest he actually agrees with major aspects of the proposal in Congress.

And then there's this little gem, right up there with the other "gaffes" the OP mentions but you didn't respond to: "Bob Dole is a guy I, Mitt Romney, do/do NOT want to endorse me". source.

Just Google "Flip Flops by Romney" and you'll find a whole host of issues that you haven't even touched upon in this thread (yet).

But like I said, it doesn't matter now that his delegates are McCain's. Are you going to defend McCain as tenaciously as you do/did Romney now?

131 posted on 02/14/2008 11:08:09 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

You are just full of brilliant analyses.


132 posted on 02/14/2008 11:09:09 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: colorcountry
Now why would this same NE coast Rockefeller Republican garner 90% of the Utah vote, and win overwhelmingly in Wyoming or Nevada?

I think that is attributable to how Mormons are perceived in the West. Contrary to the vitriol displayed by Mormon defenders here, The West recognizes Mormons as staunch patriots with Conservative and Christian principles.

I really believe the Mormon tag along with Romney's stated positions caused people to accept him at face value rather than digging into his record. I dare say that most had no idea he was from the Northeast, not to mention that he was a liberal governor in very liberal Massachusetts.

Even so, the greater dichotomy is rather stunning. Huck won the South, and the lower Midwest, while Romney won the Mountain West and the upper Midwest. An interesting difference that I would like to see explained.

133 posted on 02/14/2008 11:09:12 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: broncobilly; curiosity

Don’t be insulting. Why don’t you tell me what the “acceptable number of flip flops” are.

For example, for curiosity, apparently the acceptable number is 3. What say you?


134 posted on 02/14/2008 11:09:44 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: broncobilly

And you are full of vapid responses. Got anything of substance?


135 posted on 02/14/2008 11:10:18 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: JohnnyZ

I don’t have to look it up. I was in the middle of the battle.


136 posted on 02/14/2008 11:10:31 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: Terpfen

Florida isn’t the south for purpose of political discussion. Everyone I know in FL retired to there from somewhere else. You would not call them southerners.


137 posted on 02/14/2008 11:11:32 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: Antoninus
Do you really think a northeastern liberal yankee Catholic would have done any better with Southern Republicans than Romney did? If yes, I present to you Rudy Giuliani and his ridiculous candidacy.

Your example has three variables: northeastern, liberal, and Catholic. I am not sure northeastern is that big a deal. Catholic would probably be a small factor. But the big problem factor in the example is liberalism, not religion.

Just MHO.

138 posted on 02/14/2008 11:14:12 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: Always Right
Nobody likes to admit it, but the only reason Freepers did not support Dennis Kucinich is that he is short and married a tall girl.

Hey, I voted for Kucinich in the Democrat primary. He's the perfect candidate to run against in the general election :-).
139 posted on 02/14/2008 11:14:35 AM PST by dan1123 (McCain has an American Conservative Union rating of 82.3; Clinton has a rating of 9.)
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To: No Dems 2004

At the same time, Mormons overwhelmingly supported Romney because of his religion. Is that not religios bias?


140 posted on 02/14/2008 11:17:32 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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