Posted on 02/11/2008 11:09:41 PM PST by zeestephen
"What a kerfuffle! Half a dozen talk-radio hosts whose major talent is that, like hairdressers, they can talk all day long to one client after another as they snip, have decided that the presumptive Republican nominee does not hew sufficiently close to their gospel.
"As anyone who has listened to them knows, the depth of their thought is truly Oprah-like."
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His collusion with captors? You were there?
when he was asked to give the names of men in his unit. he finally caved and he gave them names. But they were names of guys who played for the NY Giants after they left the man laying in bed next to him started laughing
She wasn’t there, she read a book.....coming in 3...2....1....
It is amazing what I’m reading on FR these days. I’m going to keep posting this on every single “Bash McCain” thread until you people start making some sense.
I am no McCain supporter. I’m still disappointed that Fred dropped out of the race. After that, I briefly considered voting for Romney, only to see him drop out last week.
However, there is absolutely no comparison between McCain and Clinton, or McCain and Obama.
McCain screwed us on some big things - McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, Gang of 14, etc and I am still mightily POd about it. However, on many other things, he’s been fairly conservative, especially the War on Terror - certainly far more conservative than we can expect Obama or Clinton to be.
We have a quarter of a million service members in harm’s way, and we have almost 4000 more who will have died in vain, if Clinton or Obama win the White House. They NEED McCain’s support. Now, a guy who agrees with us 82% of the time, according to the American Conservative Union, NEEDS our support in order to be president.
If he needs us, then we have some bargaining power - and his past sins should cost him. What price? Simply put - THE FUTURE.
We support McCain, he gives us a solidly conservative VP. A rising star, who will step into the Oval Office in 2012, or 2016, or whenever the Lord calls McCain home.
He’ll need Congressional Republicans to get things done, and he’ll need all of them, including the conservatives. They’ll be pressure on him - have you forgotten Harriet Myers?
Will he be perfect? No, of course not. But, the perfect is the enemy of the good. We can’t have Ronald Reagan, so get over it. Let’s strike the best deal we can, for our troops now, and our position as conservatives in the future.
Hey, you got info I don’t on McCain? Please spill. I want to hear it. I am voting for him and want to know exactly what happened in the POW camps. I think it’s better if we know it all now before the Dems use it to crucify him.
But a quarter of a million service members currently in harm's way, and 4000 who will have died in vain, will pay the price - all so you can throw your little tantrum.
We may not have the ability to pick the candidate, but we still have the ability to influence the ticket and the platform. We still have the ability to win something, rather than losing everything.
“As anyone who has listened to them knows, the depth of their thought is truly Oprah-like.”
Spoken by someone who OBVIOUSLY has NEVER listened.
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I don't know who Mr. Helprin is or what he has done (Claremount Institute: I assume he's not a dummy nor a loon), but this statement (and many others in this piece, really are over the top.
To denigrate what Rush Limbaugh does (and has done) is just plain stupid. To call his thought "Oprah-like" is to be living in a vaccuum. Rush doesn't need me to defend him, but I'll just say that I am amazed at his ability to distill, analyze and debate issues of policy 3 hours a day impromptu and off the cuff. He is the closest thing there is to a one-man-think-tank and advertising agency (figuring out how to spin these thoughts and make obscene profits in the process) all in one.
And one more thing -- answering a point in Helprin's article: it is easy to arm-chair quarterback the effort in Iraq 5 years after it was started. I don't recall Mr. Helprin calling for a 3-day slash and leave policy in Iraq as the best we could do to answer the threat of global terrorism. Talk about "Oprah-like" thinking.
Still sore that I was right about our collective feelings of betrayal by Bush being projected in force upon McCain? Right to the point of the President making the exact same point I had written about the night before?
Or was it my Romney point that he lost because he was a Mormon, as backed up by the other article that came out the day after I posted on it?
Can’t keep up with my prescience, so you make inane personal attacks? You're the steadied conservative who wrote F OFF to me? Sorry. this is a forum for free debate, not weirdo whining or profane immaturity. You want to argue McCain? Tell us something we don't already know; bring a body of knowledge to the table so we can really ponder it and figure things out. But I will say that the level of argumentation about McCain actually proves that conservatives are the real deal. Liberals would never argue about who is more liberal... this is because liberalism is just a reactionary stand. They only know who they are when we give them some moral compass, some solid positions to attack. (This is why both Obama and Clinton are chomping at the bit to attack either Bush or McCain. They are reactionaries, not visionaries.)
Here’s Helprin’s bio from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Helprin
Speechwriter for Bob Dole. Speaks volumes, I’m afraid.
If you don’t know that Mark Helprin is one of the good guys you really are an idiot.
I’m pasted his bio in a reply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Helprin
Here it is again... A different Helprin, I think (but not sure).
read his book faith of my fathers, and listen to bud day who was right there with him
He was offered early release when Nva found out he was admirals son. Nva used that for propaganda purposes. they were going to release him early. He refused code of conduct , others who were there before him were to go first. He was beaten to a pulp for refusing to go. and he spent 4 more years in that hell hole.
If u notice a whistling sound when he speaks. Its because the food they were served had small rocks in it. ( rice) and some of his teeth were broken when he bit into it. He looks stiff because his arms were broken when his plane was hit. and when he was captured he was bayonetted in groin area and other parts of his body. there was one vietnamese who pulled him away. when they took him they tortured him by hanging from arms that were broken. that is why he looks so stiff. He can not raise his arms very high at all. someone has to comb his hair for him because he can not
So endearing.
also in his book he talks about 2 men from our military who were given special privileges,He doesnt mention their names. But he does talk about how they would rat on fellow pows and often get them beaten to a pulp. they were not held in confinement they were allowed out and mingled with nva
There are many who have suffered worse, and been as heroic in so doing, Tina. Are you saying we should vote a President because of sympathy?
Trouble is with you ultra-right neo-cons is that you don't realize that there will BE NO MORE REAGANS. God broke the mold after He made Reagan...McCain is the closest you're gonna get to a conservative.
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I’m tired of being lectured by GOP party regulars who have no clue as to why I cannot support McCain. If McCain thinks he can make the sale by bullying tactics, he’s in for a rude shock.
He needs to find out what our concerns are and address them to our satisfaction. The bludgeon and the patronization are not effective tools for convincing people who can think, such as conservatives.
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