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Russian bombers intercepted near US Navy vessel (Tupolev 95 flew 2000ft directly over USS Nimitz)
ynet ^ | 02.12.08 | ynet

Posted on 02/11/2008 3:45:40 PM PST by Flavius

Edited on 02/11/2008 4:36:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Republic of Texas
Their TU-95s are still in service, with some new builds. They continue to serve a useful purpose for the Russians in terms of recon and now a recon/strike role

Our B-52s are still in service as well and serve a useful purpose as well, most being converted to a cruise missle carrying role (albeit a whole lot more than the TU-95 can carry, but also of a different variety).

The newer TU-95s and the upgrades now can carry some pretty wicked anti-shipping cruise missiles, giving them a much better strike capability and increasing their danger IMHO if they are allowed to get close enough.

Clearly, there are those on this thread who disagree with that and I respect their positon, while personally disagreeing with it.

221 posted on 02/11/2008 9:25:48 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: The Pack Knight
One thing most Americans have never really understood: The Russians are still scared to death of the Germans. On a visceral level, the Russian psyche was always more profoundly bothered by the potential of a resurgent Germany than it ever was about a dominant United States, even during the height of the Cold War.
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I agree,,,

History tells them ass~whuppin’s come from the West...

They do get through them but always at an awful cost...

IMHO : One of the worst mistakes of WWII was helping Russia.

222 posted on 02/11/2008 9:28:40 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: ChinaThreat
I personally don’t think we should be pushing the Ruskies on the missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. That is akin to the Russians putting their own missiles in, oh lets say northern Alberta or Mexico City.

Since we aren't planning to attack Mexico City or more properly points south of their, with ballistic missiles, I wouldn't be too worried. The Russians are "worried" or at least upset about our putting DEFENSIVE (antimissile) missiles close to their territory. What does that tell you? In fact they are probably too close to Mother Russia to be used again Russian IRBMs. They are however in just the right place to defend against Iranian or Pakistani missiles aimed at say London, or New York.

223 posted on 02/11/2008 9:41:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Jacquerie

As I understand it, any aircraft carrier operating in international waters owns airspace out to five kilometers from the ship during flight operations.

I remember Connie was buzzed by a May ASW bird during the late 1970s, but they were careful not to fly directly over the flight deck. That’s definitely a finger in the eye move.


224 posted on 02/11/2008 9:42:34 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Jeff Head
That is their doctrine. Our doctrine has always been to have AEW and CAP up to try and interdict their recon or strike aircraft far enough out to prevent the cruise missile launch.

Allowing them to fly right over the carrier at 600m in the middle of the Pacific is horrible.


What do you recommend as an alternative?
225 posted on 02/11/2008 9:42:47 PM PST by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Test? You betcha. Just a thought, but didn’t Gordon Brown get tested soon after he took office; Olmert was tested last year also after taking office.

I really tend to think that Al Qaeda will test the new President within the first year after that person takes office. It’s their pattern. They tested Clinton with the WTC in 1993 - and he did nothing. They don’t dare mess now with Bush - first: they know he’ll respond, and second: they also know he has nothing to lose now with only 11 months left in office.


226 posted on 02/11/2008 9:42:48 PM PST by Reagan80 ("Government is not the solution to our problem, Government IS the problem." -RR; 1980 Inaugural)
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To: Explodo

“... surveillance equipment just waiting for us to paint them with our newest radar system.”

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OPINION:

I agree.


227 posted on 02/11/2008 9:45:14 PM PST by Cindy
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To: maquiladora

They need to have an accident with a good sized drone next time.

Followed by a very nice hallmark card to Pukin.


228 posted on 02/11/2008 9:57:15 PM PST by NoLibZone (If the Clinton years were so great, why is Osama doing so well?)
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To: al baby
You really don’t think they spend 700 dollars for a hammer and 6000 dollars for toilet seats do you ???

I do! I used to bid those projects. On a small production run of just a few items, by the time you met every specification the cost would be astronomical. Some projects cost many tens of thousands of dollars just to get a decent proposal submitted to be considered.

By the way as I recall the hammer was a special non-sparking alloy of exotic metal, and the toilet seat was heated and thermostatically controlled so that at -65 degrees your A$$ wouldn't freeze to it and at 120 degrees it wouldn't fry your butt.

229 posted on 02/11/2008 9:58:47 PM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: Jeff Head
Would have made a great opening to one of your book series. Simultaneously slow Russian Bombers approach every deployed US carrier Battle group. The commander of each carrier battle group says simultaneously, ‘Not this crap again’. The interceptors take off and escort the Russian bomber for its slow overfly of the Carrier. Only this time the planes are piloted by Russian Islamist suicide terrorist. Each bomber carriers a large armed nuclear weapon shielded from detection. Well, you could take it from theier Jeff. Opening salvo of WWIV. US loses all of its deployed carriers simultaneously. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Putin should be informed that the next Russian bomber that attempts a flyover of US carrier, will be shot down. No questions asked.
230 posted on 02/11/2008 10:00:00 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Army Air Corps

That seems to be Putin’s line of thought. Also, he seems to think of Eastern Europe as Russian property.
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The Comm~Block is gone>.< ,,,

That was their “buffer-zone” between Russia and the West,,,

Sooooo,,,;0)


231 posted on 02/11/2008 10:01:05 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Army Air Corps
When were you in the USAF? What was your MOS?

mid 70s and then reserve and guard and reserve again in the 80s. Got too fat. (My full name is El Gato Gordo. :)

I didn't have an MOS, us wing wipers don't, but my first AFSC was 2825 (2821 for the first 2 years) , then 30XX in the Guard and back to 2825, with a technical intelligence slot, as a reserve IMA . Right after I got off active duty, and was in grad school, I was attached to SAC missile facilities engineering at SAC HQ near Omaha, and spent 1/2 of my two week tour at Vandenberg crawling around LCF and LFs. And getting kicked out of a Titan=II site that had a live, that is fueled, bird ready for launch

But the AF has changed all the numbers around and today I guess I'd be a 62E3E. That last technical intell position was the most interesting, to say the least.

I was told where they *really* keep the crew of the Roswell craft, and the wreckage. I'd tell y'all ... but then I'd .. well you know) :)

232 posted on 02/11/2008 10:01:55 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: maquiladora
I stand corrected.

And it's still scary as hell whether it's old hat or not. It only takes ONE of those flyovers to be something more than "playing" and we could lose thousands of men who should be in some of the most well protected space on the planet.

MM (in TX)

233 posted on 02/11/2008 10:02:57 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: El Gato

My high school calc teacher was a missileman and he told us about an incident where, during a dreary rotation down below, the started receiving a message that began “Flash Traffic”...


234 posted on 02/11/2008 10:05:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Jacquerie
Standard cold war operating procedure.

Also standard cold war operating procedure: Any Bear does that, gets splashed a couple of miles from the carrier.

Career-limiting move, overflying a CVA at low altitude.

The Egyptians lost a few Badgers that way, too, in the 70's in the eastern Med.

235 posted on 02/11/2008 10:11:36 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: El Gato

That B-1 drop broke the will of AQ in Iraq a couple weeks ago.


236 posted on 02/11/2008 10:14:05 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: eleni121; Flavius
[Flavius] The U.S. has defended the plan as necessary to protect its European allies from possible attacks by Iran.

I do not buy this. If we are so scared of Iran then invite the Russians as well.

We did. They gave us the brush. They wanted the beef more than the security. They have other agenda, and are using the complaint to prick up their defense and political elites and give cover to their rearmament and politico-military recrudescence. I sense some adventures in the offing. Like knocking over Belarus and the Baltics.

237 posted on 02/11/2008 10:17:54 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: cva66snipe; RaceBannon
I don’t know about the Nimitz. But we had a very wicked anti-aircraft system on the AMERICA. A computerized Gatlin Gun System with a turret that moved faster than the human eye could detect.

The system you're talking about is the Close In Weapons System or for short CIWS.

238 posted on 02/11/2008 10:23:44 PM PST by Doofer (Carl Cameron Is A Weasel)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Do you think that Ukraine will also be an object of some of these adventures? They have been piddling in their cornflakes.
239 posted on 02/11/2008 10:25:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
I was told where they *really* keep the crew of the Roswell craft, and the wreckage. I'd tell y'all ... but then I'd .. well you know) :)

Oh what the heck, they've been moved since the 80s anyway.

The location can be seen on this pdf map. They, well the crew anyway, are or were in the basement of building 856 at Wright Patterson, AFB, Dayton Ohio.

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Which is built on a slab. :)

240 posted on 02/11/2008 10:27:35 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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