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If you think McCain won’t be better than either one, you’re wrong
The Collins Report ^ | Feb7, 2008 | John F. Allen

Posted on 02/08/2008 5:01:34 AM PST by jmaroneps37

…..I do not like John McCain.

I like socialist women and the most liberal senator in America less, far less. Our party’s primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats.

Our Evangelical friends have to shoulder much of the blame for giving us McCain. They have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences …I’m damned mad about this, but I can’t do anything about it. [ McCain] will be elected. America will not select either Democrat over him. Many Hillary hating Democrats will vote for McCain.

..the conservative radio talkers did all they could. They are now the de facto leaders of the conservative movement. …accept facts. Some of them insist McCain can’t win. I very much disagree.

Each conservative has to make a personal decision. We can swing wild in blind anger or carefully think things through. If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to have been disappointed or you really haven’t lived much of a life. We don’t always get our way. If we jump wrong now, out of anger and frustration, we will insure …putting America, no our own families in danger. The danger of picking wrong at this point is history can not be over stated. …grievances against John McCain are [not] unimportant. They are very important. [but]we seem to be losing the fact that vicious Islamist terrorists want to kill us and will kill us and our children if we have the wrong Commander in Chief. ..a willingness to put aside the importance ..war against terror and make believe a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama would keep us safe from further attack is where I step off of the anti- McCain bandwagon. These three people are simply not interchangeable.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; mccain; mcmexico
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To: TommyDale
Perhaps the RNC and the GOP leadership should think of that when they shove a liberal RINO down the throats of the party.

They both seem to think that they OWN my vote and if I don't give it to THEIR choice that it is MY fault THEIR candidate lost. Sorry folks. Ain't gonna happen. When they succeed in limiting the choices to people like McCain vs. Obama, people WILL stay home. That is the candidate's fault, and the operatives who worked so hard to provide the miserable choice.

121 posted on 02/08/2008 9:32:06 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: napscoordinator
Don’t care anymore. Vote for whoever. This race has gotten boring and predictable. The only thing that needs to happen to finish my prediction is for Hillary to swear in. In fact, why wait until November, just do it now. What in the world is wrong in America?

Attitudes like yours.

122 posted on 02/08/2008 9:32:12 AM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: al_c

Gday Mate and thanks for the encouragement.

Sadly wise words tend to fall on deaf ears when there’s steam coming out of them.

I have faith in Freepers -most are intelligent souls who will calm down and do what’s right,not only, for their country but for the rest of us as well!

Blessings

Mel


123 posted on 02/08/2008 9:35:32 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: jmaroneps37

what matters is the long run the long run the long run.

Nobody disagrees McCain would be better for conservatives tomorrow.

What we do disagree with is whether he’d be better for conservatives the day after tomorrow.

As usual the media and the rhino’s aren’t going to figure that out.


124 posted on 02/08/2008 9:57:38 AM PST by bingsha10
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To: calcowgirl
"They both seem to think that they OWN my vote and if I don't give it to THEIR choice that it is MY fault THEIR candidate lost. Sorry folks. Ain't gonna happen. When they succeed in limiting the choices to people like McCain vs. Obama, people WILL stay home. That is the candidate's fault, and the operatives who worked so hard to provide the miserable choice."

You said it quite well!

125 posted on 02/08/2008 9:59:53 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: calcowgirl

Exactly.


126 posted on 02/08/2008 10:00:53 AM PST by Dante3
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To: GatorGirl
We must work to elect real conservatives down the ticket. Staying home is not the answer!!

Which is exactly why this election will be a disaster for conservative candidates everywhere--as many conservatives WILL sit home.

With McCain at the top of the ticket--conservatives at the local, state and congressional level will be devastated in close races. (Who do you think those independents that we keep hearing about, who will vote for McCain, will vote for in those races? Hint: it won't be conservative candidates)

With an energized, passionate and united Democratic Party facing a demoralized, divided and disspirited Republican Party--this November will be a disaster.

127 posted on 02/08/2008 10:06:25 AM PST by stockstrader
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To: laotzu
Tell me more. Is she cute? Drive a classic car? Any reason will do.

In 2006, she was a House Majority Leader for the 22nd District of Texas. ...

Ran for Tom Delay's slot as a Republican and lost to Sekula-Gibbs(R). So, now she runs for POTUS, hehehehe.

128 posted on 02/08/2008 11:06:50 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TommyDale
You should have all thought about that when he was steamrolled over the voters.

Not sure what you mean by that. I'm in Texas ... haven't had a chance to vote in a primary yet.

129 posted on 02/08/2008 11:31:40 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: jmaroneps37
After more than 120 replies, the writers point seems to perfectly established. People calling themselves conservatives are will to totally forget the war on terror because they hate McCain. These conservatives are the kind of people who want to quit and go home when down 5 runs in the 6th inning. They are willing to play make believe with our security and say “Oh anybody would keep us safe. Barack and Hillary are great American before they are Democrats!”
Yeah right. I’m voting for McCain because I understand that the threat is real and the choices are ZERO. Neither a woman nor a Barack Husein Obama will keep us safer than McCain will. Keep all your sophistry and “I’m so conservative I’d rather let our guard down than vote for McCain.” McCain will keep us safe NO DEMOCRAT WILL.
130 posted on 02/08/2008 11:38:47 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Alternate scenario:

McCain is going left on Inauguration Day anyway, and in doing it he’ll be hailed as a bipartisan. The policies, of course, will fail and suddenly all that back slapping will cease around the 2010 election cycle.

This is when MDS will set in (McCain Derangement Syndrome) and they will pillory him as a scourge. He’ll be blamed for everything that’s wrong with the country, while everything that’s right will be a result of random events.

Why NOT let a liberal take the WH, wreck the country, and get the blame for it? At least it will be clear who was responsible, if not in 2012, certainly in 2016.

Republicanism is an empty brand, and it stands for nothing, and it should be used exclusive of the term ‘Conservative’. Both Republicans and Democrats are coalition parties now - collections of interest groups generally at opposing agendas with one another but unified in a marriage of expedience.

Conservatism means everything it did in 1980. Republicanism is whatever McCain and his coalition defines it to be, until such time as they are out of power.

I’ll vote Thompson and let the chips fall where they may.


131 posted on 02/08/2008 11:49:39 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: jmaroneps37

re: McKennedy.

That’s exactly what I’m afraid of.

Kennedy will be “advising” McCain on his judicial picks.


132 posted on 02/08/2008 11:51:01 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: G.Mason
Thank you I was beginning to think I was the only one who realized this!!!
133 posted on 02/08/2008 12:41:38 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: rhombus

He will smile and lie to us about any issue...then will do what he darn well pleases. How can John McCain say anything that we can believe? Also, by nominating him-rigging the election for a ‘moderate’, the GOP has told us basically to pound sand.


134 posted on 02/09/2008 10:15:04 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: CygnusXI

This is true, Repubs are used to hollow meaningless victories at the hands of RINO’s.


135 posted on 02/09/2008 10:16:27 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: jmaroneps37
They have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences

This guy is wrong on this point. Yes, Mormonism IS a cult but that IS NOT the reason why Evangelicals did not vote for him.

A lot of people think that Evangelicals are so narrow-minded that a person's religion IS THE ONLY factor in electing a president. OF COURSE NOT.

It's the MEDIA that keeps harping about this alleged problem and then blaming it on Evangelicals.
136 posted on 02/09/2008 10:21:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: TXnMA

McCain reaches across the aisle to advance an agenda which one will he pick...hmm a Dem agenda. It’s the only one he can push through. Along the way, he forces Repub loyalist in congress to go along with this. We have far more potential of damage with a McCain presidency than a Democrat presidency. This is not petulant or childish. It’s reality. There are few things worse than a Democrat in the white house.McCain is one of those things. We must vote strongly Republicans in every other race at the state and national level. It will be the fight of our lives, but we must take back our party and our country.


137 posted on 02/09/2008 10:22:03 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: TommyDale

Absolutely true. These RINO’s spit in our face by choosing a candidate that is the worst possible RINO and then whine because we refuse to vote for this candidate. What gall!


138 posted on 02/09/2008 10:23:41 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: jmaroneps37

hold nose, vote.


139 posted on 02/09/2008 10:25:17 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: jmaroneps37

Our best move is to say no to John McCain, up until the convention, and extract some promises of concessions on issues that are important to conservatives. Right now, McCain thinks that he has us over a barrel. Maybe he does, but not without some room to maneuver.

McCain, needs us more than we need him. The first concession should come from the heads of the GOP, that the primary system will be reorganized so that this never happens again.


140 posted on 02/09/2008 10:26:47 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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