Posted on 02/07/2008 12:06:38 PM PST by WiseGuyF686
No articles on here, I apologize. I just wanted to bring a little bit of opinionated discussion in at this point, now that we stand on the brink of setting American back 4-8 years...
The conservative candidates are out of race, and it looks like it's McCain or bust. How many of you will close your eyes and vote for McCrazy over Obama or Hillary, in order to do minimal damage to America over the next preidential term...and how many of you will sit home and watch the sky fall?
Personally, I'll do just about anything to keep the Clintons at bay, including vote for John McCain.
And how on earth am I going to rue the day, as oppsoed to you also? Because I point out an obvious fact? Do you comprehend what you're saying? So McCain, Romney, and Huckleberry come in some combination of 1,2,3 because of "indies and libs" who voted. I point that out as a fact of life, and all I hear from you is denial. What do suggest... making it illegal for them to vote?
Would that include taking one up the keester? Because, that’s the principled equivalent of what you’d be doing.......
Heck yeah most everyone is going to vote, despite what they are saying now. Now we have a lot of people vowing to stay home or vote for a third party candidate or write someone in, but most will come around sooner or later when the anger dies down and they start thinking clearly.
Nope, you don’t get it, they ALL won’t be voting. I won’t and I suspect there are many others like me who also won’t. Rather have a liberal in office that has the real label....Democrat....
I'm thinking of holding a wake on election day.
You could always vote for the candidates from the American Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party. Such a vote demonstrates there are significant numbers out there who want smaller government.
Not for McCain.
They tried that in 2000 and 2004.
That reminds me of Lucy with the football yanking it away from Charlie Brown.
Once again.
You can sugercoat excrement all you want. I ain’t bitin’.
What is with all the vanities lately, especially from newbies? Enough already.
I’m not supporting a man who sends our soldiers off to foreign lands to fight for freedom while he hands off Phoenix, my hometown, to Mexico.
Keep the soldiers home and teach them Spanish.
You don't believe in Conservatism like Reagan did... you believe in going along to get along. What part of your political plans have anything to do with the Father of modern Conservatism? Read some of what Reagan said back in 1975 and apply it to today. mcinsane and today's Republicrat Party have very little in common with the ideology on display in Reagan's speech.
Let Them Go Their Way
Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
Conservative Political Action Conference
Washington, DC
March 1, 1975
Since our last meeting we have been through a disastrous election. It is easy for us to be discouraged, as pundits hail that election as a repudiation of our philosophy and even as a mandate of some kind or other. But the significance of the election was not registered by those who voted, but by those who stayed home. If there was anything like a mandate it will be found among almost two-thirds of the citizens who refused to participate.
Bitter as it is to accept the results of the November election, we should have reason for some optimism. For many years now we have preached “the gospel,” in opposition to the philosophy of so-called liberalism which was, in truth, a call to collectivism.
Now, it is possible we have been persuasive to a greater degree than we had ever realized. Few, if any, Democratic party candidates in the last election ran as liberals. Listening to them I had the eerie feeling we were hearing reruns of Goldwater speeches. I even thought I heard a few of my own.
Bureaucracy was assailed and fiscal responsibility hailed. Even George McGovern donned sackcloth and ashes and did penance for the good people of South Dakota.
But let’s not be so naive as to think we are witnessing a mass conversion to the principles of conservatism. Once sworn into office, the victors reverted to type. In their view, apparently, the ends justified the means.
(snip)
Our task is to make them see that what we represent is identical to their own hopes and dreams of what America can and should be. If there are questions as to whether the principles of conservatism hold up in practice, we have the answers to them. Where conservative principles have been tried, they have worked. Gov. Meldrim Thomson is making them work in New Hampshire; so is Arch Moore in West Virginia and Mills Godwin in Virginia. Jack Williams made them work in Arizona and I’m sure Jim Edwards will in South Carolina.
(snip)
I don ‘t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party”—when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.
It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?
Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
(snip)
Let us explore ways to ward off socialism, not by increasing government’s coercive power, but by increasing participation by the people in the ownership of our industrial machine.
(snip)
A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.
Whatever. I think most conservatives have better sense than that. Maybe I’m wrong.
LLS
I expect Sheriff Arpaio to end up inside one of his own tents.
You can blame me - I don’t care.
No, not necessarily. I prefer that Senator McCain recognize his failings and do what is right for the country. I don't want an insanely angry man with access to nukes making decisions while throwing a temper tantrum. I want a fourth option, not a choice between Slavery & Death, Death & Slavery, and Irrational Hate Yaarrr Kill Man with extra Thermonuclear Temper Tantrum.
I'll put it as simply as possible - Senator McCain disqualified himself from consideration due to his legislation that was anti-Constitutional, Anti-American, and that struck at the core of our Republic. I do not and will not accept in any way that anything - anything trumps the Constitution. I do not sell my Constitution out for political gain and those who tried to do it should have been severely shamed and punished.
But calmly, calmly we have allowed them to stay. Calmly, calmly have we hoped they would fade away. He does not deserve the honor of the nomination, and if he still had the honor he possessed in 1999, I would be confident that Senator McCain would step aside and endorse another person, a strongly conservative person for the nomination. I would have bet my last cent that the Senator McCain I knew in 1999 would have sacrificed everything to keep the Senator McCain of 2008 from the White House.
I do not and will not accept that the only choice I have in the election is the number of domestic civilian casualties we'll see in the next 4 years from terrorist actions and civil unrest. That is unacceptable, and I will not go meekly into line without trying to change it.
Your presumptions are incorrect which is why your criticism of my post is incorrect. You presume that Senator McCain is the only possible Republican nominee. I disagree. I think there are better available, ones who will not only reunify the GOP, but ones who will get serious and thoughtful conservative leaning voters from outside the party to vote for them. Don't you think so as well? Or do you actually believe that Senator McCain is the absolute best that the GOP contains?
The one thing we can work for is McCain endorsing a replacement candidate who is a strong conservative, one who didn't try to abrogate his oath and the Constitution. One who doesn't accept the left's screaming. One who would indeed veto McCain-Feingold if it ever came up again. A strong conservative, one who rejects open borders and the free flow of terrorists and criminals across our borders. The one thing we can hope for is that Senator McCain realizes that the greatest service he can give the country would be to ensure that a stronger conservative than he get elected to the Presidency. The one single real hope (and it is realistic) we have is that Senator McCain might realize that his best service is the sacrifice of his own ambition so that the best conservative possible be propelled into the nomination so that America remain strong and safe.
That is my hope, and I consider it my duty to try to convice Senator McCain to listen to that small, still voice of trumpets in his heart and do the right thing for the good of the nation.
I hope you think somewhat better of me now that I have explained myself.
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