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Fred out, Romney out, there is no joy in Trueconville today, the great Rush has struck out,
February 7, 2008 | Dane

Posted on 02/07/2008 10:29:29 AM PST by Dane

Zot me if you wish, but after all the vitriol towards me on FR, the last two GOP candidates left are McCain and Huckabee, the irony was too good to pass up.

JMO, but a lot of Freepers acted like the left with their stern demand that every person must adhere to a 110% litmus test.

With now McCain's sealing up the nomination and blaming everyone else and their dog, maybe you all should look at yourselves, despite the claims of 20 million listeners or being a top web site, the results are in and your brand of conservatism is not selling where it counts, the GOP primaries.


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KEYWORDS: elections; huckabee; limbaugh; mikehuckabee; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio; zotbait
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To: All

It’d be funny if Huckabee continues winning more primaries, and upsetting McCain in some states. Many voters aren’t happy and might express it in various ways.


141 posted on 02/07/2008 11:12:42 AM PST by Will88 ( The Worst Case Scenario: McCain with a Dhimm majority in the House and Senate)
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To: Always Right
Yep. Contract with America II.

Yes, and it should start with the unfinished business from Contract with America I. Most importantly, congressional term limits and the abolition of the US Department of Education.

Conservatives and Republicans won big when we ran on ideas in 1994. For whatever reason, though, we haven't run on ideas since.

We as conservatives and the Republican Party as a whole should think about that.
142 posted on 02/07/2008 11:13:16 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Dane
I agree completely...I don’t like it, but I agree. Very disappointed in those we thought were our voice in radio..
143 posted on 02/07/2008 11:13:29 AM PST by hope (cut off nose, spite face...Maybe we'll win in 2012..bwah!)
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To: Dane

Go suck a sombrero!


144 posted on 02/07/2008 11:17:19 AM PST by Grunthor (I promise in November to be just as loyal to the GOP as Juan McAmnesty has been)
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To: Dane
Excuse the hell out of us for having principles.

McCain caucuses with Democrats as often as he does with Republicans. Huckabee isn't just wrong on a few issues; his underlying philosophy of religious populism is inconsistent with conservative principles.

Do you really wonder why we have a problem with them?
145 posted on 02/07/2008 11:17:59 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: All
At the risk of repeating myself:
Staying home on election day won't send a message to Republican leaders. Neither will voting for McCain. Well, a McCain vote will send the message that conservatives are not principled but party voters; and therefore the Republican leadership can continue to push candidates like McCain and Romney and bury candidates like Thompson and Hunter, and we will rollover and expose our bellies out of fear of the (continually self-destructing) Democrats. Voting for a third party candidate WILL send a proper message, either to the Republican party which has abandoned it's conservative principles or to the "new" party that actually offers us conservative candidates.

I think we (meaning conservatives) should be discussing the conservative boni fides of various third parties and their candidates rather than harping to each other about McCain/Romney/Huckabee/Hillary/Obama. And FreeRepublic should be hosting that conversation and inviting all to attend and present their "case for conservatism".

The country survived eight years of Billary and we will survive four or eight years of Hillarbill or Obama _IF_ conservatives use that time to build a strong base in a new/different party, or a Republican party that "got the message" when we voted on principle rather than on politics in 2008. A party, new or changed, whose political philosophy is closer to that of Reagan, as well as the 1994 Republicans under Gingrich.

"Principled" means conservative first, Republican second. That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.

146 posted on 02/07/2008 11:18:22 AM PST by Ignatz ( RENT THIS SPACE)
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To: Dane

I think that the only good that will likely come from this is that after the press turns on McCain, and he loses badly in the general election, it may signal the end of his political career.


147 posted on 02/07/2008 11:18:41 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: BibChr

Hard to unite oil and water. The multicultural globalists who run the party have as their priority policies that are necessarily anathema to most of the base.

The most powerful elected official who really represents the base is Tom McClintock of California - and the ferocity with which the REPUBLICAN powers that be intervened to ensure that he would not be Governor there gives perspective on what we are up against. Instead, they installed Schwarzenegger, a man married into the Kennedy family, as liberal as any Democrat.

The powers that be in the Republican party have failed us utterly, and consistently... the phrase “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism” comes to mind. The magnitude of malfeasance necessary to turn the historic opportunity of 1994 into the unmitigated disaster of 2008 must not only be corrected, it must be avenged, and measures must be put in place to ensure that it can never happen again.


148 posted on 02/07/2008 11:19:20 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (I will never vote directly against my own vital interests)
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To: NormsRevenge

There’s a FREEPER in my toilet????????

Oh oh.


149 posted on 02/07/2008 11:20:24 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Vote for my German Shepherds!!!! They're smarter than what's running!!)
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To: Dane

Si se puede el Guapo...


150 posted on 02/07/2008 11:20:28 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Dane
I'll take a stab at it.

My tenth FR anniversary is coming up in May. I voted for Ronald Reagan twice. I consider myself to be quite conservative. In fact, liberals who know my politics are worried that I'm mentally ill.

However, since the great purge in April 2007, I haven't been a "true conservative". I've challenged the "true conservatives" to show us what they've got when we started voting.

So, now we know. "True conservatives" are about 15% of the GOP primary electorate. They are zero percent of the independents and the Democrats.

So, nationally, "true conservatives" represent about 5% of the voters.

Now, I'm deliberately using the term "true" conservatives to describe a type of conservative - as we all know, for RR to win in a landslide twice took more than 5% of the voters.

The "trucons", to coin a phrase, have been talking much bigger than they vote. At 5% of the national electorate, about the only thing they can accomplish OUT of the GOP is to destroy the GOP nominee. Apparantly, that's going to happen.

I'm not sure what the answer is for the trucons. There are not enough of them to make demands on either major party. There are not enough of them to form a third force. I suppose, if they split off, the Democrat-Republican balance of power will revert to 1932-1980.

It's too bad, because the country remains basically conservative, and an actual truly conservative nominee could be elected President - as long as he wasn't more interested in reading other conservatives out of the coalition than he was in winning.

It's kind of like Christianity. I'm chairman of a small Christian school which accepts students from many different Christian traditions. Every once in a while, we get a family who becomes obsessed with the idea that other students, or some of the teachers, or Board members, "aren't Christians".

When you get to the bottom of this critique, in turns out that the number of "true Christians" (in their mind) is tiny, instead of huge. This self-defeating philosophy makes a broad-based Christian program, of any type, impossible.

So it is with the trucons. They've been barking out orders and making demands for a year. The primary election season has revealed that they are not influential enough to accomplish much, even by backing a fauxcon like Romney. Their future is unclear, as is the future of the GOP.

Which is kinda too bad, because for all its faults it did provide a home for a broad-based centre-right coalition which served the people better than the alternative would have done.

As we are about to find out.

151 posted on 02/07/2008 11:21:46 AM PST by Jim Noble (Look out kid they keep it all hid)
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To: Reagan79
I don't think Huckabee would accept Romney's endorsement.

Too much hubris.

His unexpected success early on seems to have gone to his head.

I think one of the main reasons he stayed in the election through Super Tuesday because of his strong dislike of Romney.

He may stick it out now just because if anything happens to McCain he might somehow win.

152 posted on 02/07/2008 11:21:57 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Dane

“Look at me everybody!”


153 posted on 02/07/2008 11:22:06 AM PST by Sam's Army
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To: Dane
You can be aggrivating, but I am not freaking out. Will have to just apply brass knuckle politics to holding McCain in, much like we have had to do in Bush's second term.

Another President Klinton is just too much.

154 posted on 02/07/2008 11:22:09 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Izzy Dunne
I'm getting the feeling that the presidential race is now between Hillary and Obama.

If you were to accept that as fact, which would you want to win the Democrat primary?

We haven't had our primary here in Ohio yet, so if I want I can vote in the Democratic primary instead of the Republican one which is pretty much over.

I'm just not sure which is the lesser of those two evils.

155 posted on 02/07/2008 11:26:34 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Dane

I will vote for McCain, but only if he asks a real conservative to be his running mate, someone like Haley Barbour or John Kasich. I will NOT vote for McCain if he asks Huckster to be his running mate. That is a promise.


156 posted on 02/07/2008 11:26:46 AM PST by moose2004
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To: Brad's Gramma

lolol.. uhhh.. we live in strange times. :-}


157 posted on 02/07/2008 11:28:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Dane
Freepers acted like the left with their stern demand that every person must adhere to a 110% litmus test.

I'd be happy with a 50% litmus test. McCain is borderline. Hunter/Thompson were 95%.

Get it?

158 posted on 02/07/2008 11:29:47 AM PST by kidd
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To: Dane

I have never answered anyone like this on FreeRepublic but I will make an exception today. Your are ridiculous. Rush is the backbone of conservatism.


159 posted on 02/07/2008 11:33:48 AM PST by rep-always
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To: Jim Noble

“The “trucons”, to coin a phrase, have been talking much bigger than they vote. At 5% of the national electorate, about the only thing they can accomplish OUT of the GOP is to destroy the GOP nominee. Apparantly, that’s going to happen.”

If the ‘trueCons’ are the 100% litmus test conservatives, then Ronald Reagan would *not* be a ‘true conservative’.
He wasn’t a litmus test conservative.
He supported prochoice Republicans against more liberal Democrats.
he compromised with Tip O’Niell and even raised taxes.

But he had core conservative principles and didnt shed while he engaged in practical politics.

We need a name for those non-litmus-test conservatives.

My name:

STRATEGIC CONSERVATIVE.


160 posted on 02/07/2008 11:34:12 AM PST by WOSG (Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
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