Posted on 02/06/2008 1:59:59 PM PST by TSchmereL
After seven years of watching and fighting against Americans who wish to see the country suffer so that they can get at George Bush, the last thing I wanted or expected to see was conservatives saying they would rather see the country suffer than support John McCain over Clinton or Obama, so that they can "get the blame."
A retreat before victory is assured in Iraq cannot be undone in 2012. And mandatory, single-payer, universal health care, once established, will not EVER go away either.
I am not impuning anyone's motives. I believe I have a reasonable understanding of principled behavior. But if your goal is to see the country punished because---
You can stop right there. If your goal is to see America punished, and her people open to attack and/or ruined financially in order to prove a point for any reason, then you do not deserve politial power nor are you likely to achieve it. A party is a compact. It is, essentially, a pleage of mutual support. As a matter of fact, it's nothing more or less than a promise.
A political party is a series of personal compromises in order to achieve a goal unattainable by the perfect political party: one's own self. If McCain is the legal and lawfully selected nominee, and Republicans decide to walk away from their party in droves, what makes them think they will be able to count on those who, you know, actually went out and voted Republican either joyfully or through clenched teeth, in order to prevent The Deluge?
If your idea of any political party is one that means unlimited support for your personal values if your candidate is ascendant, while you in turn owe none to those you dislike or even disdain, you might be in for a surprise in future elections.
Speaking as a FredHead myself, I am bitterly disappointed that I did not even have the chance to vote for a man I admired, and am more distraught still to find myself in the position I now occupy. I see many, many worrisome things about John McCain, but being tough on terror and spending are not among them. We could do worse. Two names come to mind immediately.
Much is said about principles, and since I am not able elect anyone BY MYSELF I have entered into this pact with the group of people who I feel most comfortable with in terms of values. If they, as a body, choose a candidate who is not my first, second, third or fourth choice, then I can look to the Democrats. There I find views so antithetical to everything I believe that I realize there is indeed something to this idea of party loyalty.
And I cannot help but think that such a kind and practical man as Ronald Reagan would be amazed that his name was being invoked so frequently in order to insure that the most liberal, socialist, power-hungry statist in my living memory is elected. I'm glad he's not here to see this because if he knew the consequences of what was being done in his name, I believe it would kill the man.
I am not voting. McCain is the anti-Reagan
McCain will sacrifice the US economy at the altar of Kyoto for the “greater good.” No thanks, I’ll stay home if he’s the guy.
I agree with your analysis - people are not considering the MOST important issue, which is judges. It is the judiciary which decides all issues such as abortion, guns, etc. We know what kind of judges HRC will appoint - we can hold McCain’s feet to the fire, if need be.
If you have to let your wife sleep with the football team to keep her, is she worth keeping?
I’m with you. The alternatives are too destructive to this nation as a whole. It’s time to put the national interest as our top priority.
As a real conservative...I will not waste my vote on McCain.
The problem with the GOP is that too many vote for someone with an R next to their name....and not based on conservative principles. The GOP will change only when there are fewer lemmings
Although I would not vote for Hillary or Obama, I will go third party if McCain is the nominee.
Incrementalism back to a "conservative" country, reversing the past 50 years of incrementalism to socialism, is not ever going to happen.
A major catastrohpe/catalyst will be necessary.
Talk about “RINOs!” Any “Republican” who helps the Democrats win in November either by voting for them or through inaction will deserve that title. McCain will look like a far-right-wing conservative standing next to him.
Thanks for the post, TSchmereL. I’m with you!
And you sir are insanely delusional.
I will not vote for mcpain or huck for any reason at all. no way. Hill won’t be so bad as you all think, and i believe she will be better than mcpain/huck.
Then you will have, in effect, voted for Hitlery or Obama. If you can live with that choice, then enjoy what you get.
This is a false dilemma. The only reason issues have fallen to judges is because the legislators we've elected don't have the stomach to act in their proper role.
I agree with your analysis - people are not considering the MOST important issue, which is judges. It is the judiciary which decides all issues such as abortion, guns, etc. We know what kind of judges HRC will appoint - we can hold McCain’s feet to the fire, if need be.
It all depends on whether or not you get free season tickets.
I will too. not happily, but the alternative is much worse
I won’t like it, but I’ll vote for McCain. I will not help hillary in any way.
I will NOT vote for McCain. It’ll be third party (probably Constitution Party) for me, period.
I haven’t made a compact with the party. If the party does select as a nominee someone I find obnoxious, someone who IMHO is more akin to a nominee of the other party, I won’t vote for that nominee. In that case, the party needs to improve their nomination process to avoid the prospect that non-party members and the MSM mischievously selects their nominee, in order to earn my vote. Once selected they won’t support him, and neither will I.
I think your analysis is flawed. I believe that McCain will do exactly the same things that Hillary will do. The difference is that most Republicans will help McCain do them, while they will fight Hillary tooth and nail. Thus I believe that more damage will come to the country with McCain than with Hillary. Convince me that I am wrong.
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