[Bob Mc]

Some of us don't want to "punish" anyone. We just realize it is most likely going to have to get a lot worse before anything gets better.

Incrementalism back to a "conservative" country, reversing the past 50 years of incrementalism to socialism, is not ever going to happen.

A major catastrohpe/catalyst will be necessary.

[DonnerT]

A major catastrohpe/catalyst will be necessary.

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Like taking out the lame horse republican party with the McCain bullet?

Might be quicker and more merciful than a Huck or a Mitt.