Posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
I especially don’t want to see a flame war on a thread about a serious (though arcane) subject.
John / Billybob
Not when Huck paid Paul 3 delegates (according to Paul's own campaign) to have his people vote for Huckabee.
Ron Paul's campaign claimed late this afternoon that it had secured three of the 18 delegates through a deal with Mike Huckabee to help put him above the 50 percent threshold.
Perhaps you didn't hear it here at FR but we yelled and screamed here in WV at the rules change at it's inception. The state party was just entrenched in the idea and remained deaf.
I heard that Ron Paul’s people were also in on the deal in West Virginia.
Great grandma makes an excellent point. Whenever you do something that you have to lie about afterward, you probably shouldn’t have done it in the first place.
I still remember the first time I was offered a “bribe.” It wasn’t phrased as a bribe. The “donor” simply said that he would make a $30,000 “gift” to a charity I was associated with. Only he would do it in cash. He was counting on me to pocket the cash, and then he’d “own” me, as Huey Long did in “All the King’s Men.” As soon as I replied that I’d report the contribution in cash, the subject was dropped and no “donation” was ever made.
Lord knows, I haven’t always followed it, but my parents gave me the same advice that Great Grandma is obviously passing down in her family. Don’t do things you’d be ashamed to ‘fess up to, after the fact. McCain and Huckabee both got rightfully tarnished by this affair.
John / Billybob
“No, he only skewers Republicans and then we’re stupid enough to select this traitor as our candidate. There’s something rotten here.”
Like McCain losing ‘gracefully’ to Hillary Clinton.
He will be deemed to be too old, and a continuation of the ‘old’ politics.
Boo hoo??? So cheating is alright with you as long as it gets the results you desire???
Christian first, eh?
To award the delegates to Hillary, after she pledged not to take part in the contest, is helping her cheat on the delegate count. Michigan is the clearest case, because Obama and Edwards took their names off the Michigan ballot, whereas, Hillary left hers on. (Whether a candidate CAN take his/her name off a state ballot, varies with state law. Obviously it could be done in Michigan.)
As for winning the nomination, both Parties require an absolute majority, not a plurality, of the authorized delegates, for nomination. Both Parties also drop the lowest tally candidate after each round of voting.
So, looking at the Democrats, Edwards would retain his delegates on round one (and also Richards, etc., who have any). When any candidate is dropped off the bottom of the list, his/her delegates are then freed to vote for others as they choose, or are directed by their former candidate.
At this point, a plurality would usually turn into a majority for the leading candidate. However, if a block of delegates decided to "take a walk" and not vote -- for bargaining chip reasons, dislike of another candidate, whatever -- there would be no majority and the voting would continue.
Exactly the same logic about the process applies to the Republican convention. There's a lot of bad blood out there in both parties, and, "It is going to get worse. Mark my words." (Quoting Fred Thompson in "The Hunt for Red October.")
Good questions you raised.
John / Billybob
Responding over the top but in kind was suppose to be ironic ... glad you caught it.
Cheating!?!
Not hardly.
You know, now that it's out there for the world to see it dawned on me that my comment was out of line.
My apologies.
I probably need to quit posting on political threads until after the election ... the process up to this point has got me as frustrated as I've been in a long time.
Aw, don’t go that far, as to quit Freeping! That’s too drastic . . .
Oh please dont stop pissing and moaning about ‘fair’ you sound like the cry babies on DU...
But, you neglected the (probable) vote fraud in NH ?
Mrs Clinton won by 13% over Obama - but the day before, she trailed by 8-9%.
The difference was roughly 39,000 votes = 12% of the total democrat votes cast.
HOWEVER, slightly over 10% of the voters of the 480,000 democrat voters - particularly IN THE BORDER counties in NH next to Mass and Vermont were day-of-voting registrants. Thus, it is easy to see that Mass Clinton voters left their towns early (public school teachers and public employee unions especially were noticed “absent” that afternoon!) and voted in New Hampshire.
Now - Where they the “missing” 39,000 Hillary voters who swung the polls from Obama? Certainly there were enough (potential) “new” available votes to swing the outcome.
And, outside voters would NOT be included in the hundreds of polls run before the election: No pollster is going to ask a Mass voter how they vote in a NH election!
Christian First.
Father and Husband Second.
American and Conservative Third.
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Im sorry and what is wrong with this?
John;
Great post.
Here is the latest ordinace for Farmers Branch for your reading pleasure.
Clay
http://www.ci.farmers-branch.tx.us/Communication/Ordinance%20No%202952.doc
Thank you for the compliment.
Who gets to decide whether Hillary Clinton delegates from Florida and Michigan get seated? Why, it’s the delegates who are already seated, that’s who. In that circumstance, Hillary can use her plurality on the floor to steal the delegates from those two states. Having done that, she will have stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.
I hope she does this!!
It will suppress the turnout. and drive a wedge deep in the the democrat party.
Nothing to feel sorry about around here.
We got what we deserved. We are a bunch of complainers only.
I doubt there would be any posts if someone just made a comment. Only complainers.
I’m so glad you are now down to McCain and Huckabee. Guess you are thrilled.
What is your problem? Are you a McCain staffer? All you do is trash Romney.
He is not any worse than your pick of McCain.
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