AHA! Now that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for the link.
Underwater methane plume.
Posted on 02/02/2008 1:52:27 AM PST by Fred Nerks
New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply
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A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.
The lead scientist on the study – Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle – says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth.
The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature, created by the deterioration of biological material deposited millions of years ago in sedimentary rock and converted to hydrocarbons under intense heat and pressure.
While organic theorists have posited that the material required to produce hydrocarbons in sedimentary rock came from dinosaurs and ancient forests, more recent argument have suggested living organisms as small as plankton may have been the origin...
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
If a scientist wants to get funding to scientifically study something he must not conclude anything that challenges the religious beliefs of the socialists. Global warming is the new God of the left.
Do you have even the SLIGHTEST evidence to back up that statement? I mean, really, where did you get this God-like knowledge? Or did somebody come by one day and give you the family tree of every molecule of Metahne on the planet? By the way, if I came by with two molecules of CH4, one that came from the same primordial source as the methane on Triton, and the other molecule from the decay of my deal budgee, would you be able to tell me which was which?
AHA! Now that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for the link.
Underwater methane plume.
Great so Saudi Oil fields replenish.
We still have to get off the black heroin that is destroying our Nation.
but...what about the ABSTARCT?
Reports
Abiogenic Hydrocarbon Production at Lost City Hydrothermal Field
Giora Proskurowski,1,2* Marvin D. Lilley,1 Jeffery S. Seewald,2 Gretchen L. Früh-Green,3 Eric J. Olson,1 John E. Lupton,4 Sean P. Sylva,2 Deborah S. Kelley1
Low-molecular-weight hydrocarbons in natural hydrothermal fluids have been attributed to abiogenic production by Fischer-Tropsch type (FTT) reactions, although clear evidence for such a process has been elusive. Here, we present concentration, and stable and radiocarbon isotope, data from hydrocarbons dissolved in hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the ultramafic-hosted Lost City Hydrothermal Field. A distinct “inverse” trend in the stable carbon and hydrogen isotopic composition of C1 to C4 hydrocarbons is compatible with FTT genesis. Radiocarbon evidence rules out seawater bicarbonate as the carbon source for FTT reactions, suggesting that a mantle-derived inorganic carbon source is leached from the host rocks. Our findings illustrate that the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in nature may occur in the presence of ultramafic rocks, water, and moderate amounts of heat.
1 School of Oceanography, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195, USA.
2 Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods Hole, MA 02543, USA.
3 Department of Earth Sciences, ETH-Zentrum, Zurich, Switzerland.
4 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)–Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, Newport, OR 97365, USA.
You’re welcome and that’s a very cool picture. Thank you.
>>but...what about the ABSTARCT?
Reports
Abiogenic Hydrocarbon Production at Lost City Hydrothermal Field<<
My criticism was intended to be limited to WND’s incorrect restatement of Proskurowski’s work. His work is very important - it could change the order in which events need to happen to have the building blocks of life on earth.
I’m sorry if it sounded like I was criticizing anything else. Jerome R. Corsi has a book on oil he is trying to sell and it irritated me to see him misrepresent like this.
The only consolation is that Coursi doesn’t even to seem to realize that if his fake headline were true, it would undercut book.
BTW, you mentioned Thomas Gold. He was brilliant - discovered the magnetosphere, explained pulsars and a lot more. But his ideas on oil not coming from fossil fuels was part of his steady state earth theory that did not pan out. That doesn’t diminish his other work.
if SA. ynot TX and OK?
Isn't that like saying 'money is the root of all evil'?
Oil never jumped up and bit anyone...I have a book with the title - 'The Black Bonanza' The fabulous life and times of the Union Oil Company of California...it's the inspiring story of Lyman Stewart and how he established the oil industry in California.
It's dependence on FOREIGN OIL that's the problem. Lyman Stewart must be spinning in his grave.
Thank for linking to that article I had not seen it.
>>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the study describes how investigators combined three abiotic (non-living) materials — water (H2O), limestone (CaCO3), and iron oxide (FeO) — and crushed the mixture together with the same intense pressure found deep below the earth’s surface.<<
Limestone (thank God) doesn’t spontaneously turn into methane when it gets wet. Its pretty cool that Herschbach was able to use a diamond forge to make it happen. BTW, that’s why I guessed above that the water would have iron or cobalt for a catalyst. Even a diamond forge isn’t strong enough to make methane with a catalyst to lower the activation energy.
That's the catch, isn't it?
Not whether petroleum can be produced abiotically, but rather how long it takes, and what percentage it would represent of usable petroleum.
thanks for that link, I loved the last paragraph:
For Herschbach, these exciting research questions have “given me a second scientific childhood.” He and his colleagues are eager to return to the lab and find out if even higher pressures will create more complex hydrocarbons, such as butane or propane. The research raises fundamental questions about how scientists determine if a material has living or nonliving origins. It also validates the work of previous scientists. “The fair conclusion,” Herschbach says, “is that the views of Thomas Gold and Russian scientists all the way back to Mendeleev need to be taken more seriously than they have been in the Western world.”
http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/03/rocks-into-gas.html
Limestone would have a really, really hard time turning into Methane.
Calcium carbonate has no hydrogens in it.
But as far as the entire theory goes, it has been proven that if you take carbon bearing material, mix it with hydrogen bearing material, and a reducing agent like iron, put it under pressure and high heat, you get alkanes.
Alkanes are a specific type of material. Methane, propane, butane, octane, whatever.
Single bonded long chains of CH2,
You can bury some fish in your backyard, throw in some algea and plankton, just about whatever you want, for the hell of it toss in some fetta cheese and the sun will go nova before it turns to alkanes.
Biologic material DOES NOT decompose into “fossil” fuels. It simply cannot. Except for perhaps the simplest ones, methane and ethane.
That is something I will never never understand.
>>Biologic material DOES NOT decompose into “fossil” fuels. It simply cannot. Except for perhaps the simplest ones, methane and ethane.<<
If people who believe that should have an opportunity. They should raise some money and start a company that searches for oil on that theory. Exxon made $40 billion last year under the mistaken impression that they could find oil by looking for anoxically decayed organic matter trapped in shale with overlying impermeable rock.
The proof would be in showing that you could better predict where oil and gas will be found.
With the discover of the deep ocean vents, it becomes more plausible, not less.
>>There would not have been enough dead dinos or funkified plant matter to create the oil on the planet. I learned about the Earth-cooked oil theory 35 years ago in my geology.<<
I don’t know....
How many leaves fall each year. How many in 100 years? How many in a million? or 40 million?
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