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To: fweingart

The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child. So, you’re perfectly fine with the State withholding the child from his parent?

Sorry, but logic doesn’t back up your support for the police state. Your claim that the problem here is that the authorities are handcuffed doesn’t hold water when they refused the request—it showed that they CHOSE to keep the child.


19 posted on 01/25/2008 5:48:03 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
I don't like government schools. Let alone a police state.

However, when an out-of-control little package goes on an anger rampage, what is an authority figure supposed to do?

As I stated above: you had to be there.

27 posted on 01/25/2008 5:51:09 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: Gondring; fweingart
The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child.

According to the article, the babysitter tried to pick up the child.

When baby-sitter Sandy Ortiz arrived, Dennis was still handcuffed, she said. School safety agents also were holding his elbows even though the boy was calm, Ortiz said. Dennis is about 4-feet-3 and weighs 68 pounds.

"I hugged him. I said, 'OK, release the cuffs, I'm taking him,'" she recalled. "They told me, 'No, Miss. You're not taking him anywhere.'"

Ortiz routinely picks up Dennis from class.


44 posted on 01/25/2008 6:03:23 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Gondring
The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child. So, you’re perfectly fine with the State withholding the child from his parent?

Better go back and reread the story Gondring. The woman who was willing to take the child was Sandy Ortiz, the baby sitter, not Jasmina Vasquez, the mother. The mother might have arrived later, but the story doesn't make that point clear. Your argument is wrong because of that misunderstanding. The authorities chose to keep a child from a non-parent on the second day of repeated problems. Doesn't sound like a police state to me, just school officials who are damned if they take action like the one they took or damned if they don't and another student or teacher is injured because of this out-of-control terror.

198 posted on 01/25/2008 12:16:29 PM PST by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: Gondring
The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child. So, you’re perfectly fine with the State withholding the child from his parent?

Sorry, but logic doesn’t back up your support for the police state. Your claim that the problem here is that the authorities are handcuffed doesn’t hold water when they refused the request—it showed that they CHOSE to keep the child.

The did not choose to KEEP the child -- they did a sensible thing --rather than sending back to a home where it appears he was not getting proper discipline, they sent to a psycho ward to see if he was dangerous, and should be kicked the hell out of school before he hurt or killed someone -- then they would get sued for damned sure.

224 posted on 01/25/2008 2:05:13 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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