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5-year-old boy handcuffed in school, taken to hospital for misbehaving
New York Daily News ^ | January 25th 2008 | CARRIE MELAGO

Posted on 01/25/2008 5:28:47 AM PST by fweingart

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Wonder what the 'father' has to say?

Juvenile delinquents now commit more serious crimes and they are incapable of giving respect to adults, neighbors or teachers!

When kids act up in class, refuse to shut up or start tearing up the classroom what are school authorities to do? You can’t touch him or raise your voice lest he be "traumatized" but he should be able to traumatize others?

He doesn't learn respect at home & then parents demand teachers do THEIR job of disciplining AND educating them.

When the brat grows up and insults another kid? He'll probably get shot.

1 posted on 01/25/2008 5:28:49 AM PST by fweingart
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To: fweingart

Do they have special kid-sized handcuffs now? Maybe with Barney stickers...


2 posted on 01/25/2008 5:35:52 AM PST by chrisser (I thought Ron Paul was a kook, until I actually read his position papers. Now I'm not so sure.)
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I usually support school discipline. However, this situation sounds like it was handled badly. Handcuffing, and dragging a 5-year-old off to a psych ward is ... ahem ... heavy-handed.

Now, I can't comment on this particular child, but I will say that there are kids with special needs that should not be in standard schools. Schools are not capable of handling some of these kids with physical, mental, and/or behavioral problems. The mismatch between student and school can sometimes lead to egregious mishandling of difficult situations. It's bad for everyone.

3 posted on 01/25/2008 5:36:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Oh, am I hijacking your rant?)
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“Wonder what the ‘father’ has to say?”

Probably the #1 reason the boy has no sense of discipline... no father in the house... my son has mild autism and as soon as he starts misbehaving (and you can tell when he’s doing things just to rile us, the parents) my husband just gives him a ‘look’ and he settles down.

The problem here is that there are not enough fathers out there to discipline their kids. Moms are usually ‘soft’. Thank goodness that God made daddies.


4 posted on 01/25/2008 5:37:07 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (Hard lesson learned in the 1980's: "Never perm and dye your hair at the same time")
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It takes a Village, mom... Get with it.


5 posted on 01/25/2008 5:37:23 AM PST by Brilliant
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Wonder what the 'father' has to say?

His mother probably couldn't identify him in a police lineup.

6 posted on 01/25/2008 5:38:19 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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You obviously must have zero experience with normal, rambunctious 5 year old boys. Unless the kid pulls a gun on the school staff, this is an extreme overreaction to fairly normal behavior.
7 posted on 01/25/2008 5:38:47 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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there are not enough fathers out there to discipline their kids.

Fathers we have plenty of.... what we need is dads.

8 posted on 01/25/2008 5:39:35 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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The sources also said he broke glass in an office door a week earlier.

He's 5 and he's 4'3" and 68 pounds. The average 7 year old is 4" and 60 lbs. This kid is not 5 - his age may be misreported by his parents, a very common occurrence in NYC public schools.

He's 5 and he can break the thick glass of NYC public school doors (my mother, BTW, was this particular school's librarian about 15 years ago).

That's crazy. If true, that is one kid who other children are not safe around.

9 posted on 01/25/2008 5:40:24 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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“Dennis - who suffers from speech problems, asthma and attention deficit disorder “

Maybe I’m just a trogladite, but it seems to me that most attention deficit disorders could be cured by old fashioned attention to the seat of pants. Sounds like this kid needs a good butt bustin’. It’s a better solution than ritilin.


10 posted on 01/25/2008 5:40:48 AM PST by SailormanCGA72
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a school safety agent cuffed the boy's small hands behind his back using metal restraints

A school safety agent? Do they have the same authority as the police?

11 posted on 01/25/2008 5:42:06 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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You obviously must have zero experience with normal, rambunctious 5 year old boys.

I don't believe there is anything normal about this unfortunate 5 year-old.

He is saddled with a mother who probably has no idea where the father is, but he does appear to bear the father's surname.

This is a case where you had to be there to see the ferocious eruption on the part of a seriously disturbed little demon.

12 posted on 01/25/2008 5:42:24 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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This is what happens when you take discipline out of the schools, and quite possibly out of the home.

Discipline is no longer doled out by teachers and principles, but by LEOs.
LEOs do not have the temprement for disciplining small children. Most LEOs join the force to combat crime, not discipline small children in an educational setting.
This reflects in the way they handle disciplinary situations in schools.

You don't handcuff a 5 year old boy, you spank his behind and send him back to class.

13 posted on 01/25/2008 5:43:23 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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You obviously must have zero experience with normal, rambunctious 5 year old boys.

I know plenty of them - my kids classmates' and my neighbors' and relatives' kids.

Not one of them has, to my knowledge, broken a three-quarter inch thick piece of reinforced glass in their school.

That is not normal rambunctiousness. That's a kid who's got serious problems which, if ignored, will get him or someone else killed one day.

14 posted on 01/25/2008 5:43:48 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Maybe you’re right... since who has ever heard of a 5 year old throwing a tantrum, kicking someone in the shins, throwing something? Nahhh....


15 posted on 01/25/2008 5:44:20 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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“Dennis - who suffers from speech problems, asthma and attention deficit disorder”

Translation - This poor kid has had lousy parents.


16 posted on 01/25/2008 5:44:32 AM PST by Slapshot68
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A school safety agent?

What a dive our society has taken when we have to have full-time security personnel in an elementary school.

Unfortunately our society has become absolutely polluted with the offspring of useless parents who procreate then abdicate. Shove the disruptive example of their copulation onto the government schools which are staffed by teachers who are barely able to handle the curriculum, let alone discipline someone's mistake.

17 posted on 01/25/2008 5:45:57 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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Referring to this as normal 5 year old behavior is a little silly. There’s nothing normal about a 5 year old having the temerity to try and face down a school full of adults. While I think the school overreacted it was probably to keep from being sued. Restraint is seen legally as protection for both parties. It appears to me that we have a child used to getting his own way.


18 posted on 01/25/2008 5:46:24 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child. So, you’re perfectly fine with the State withholding the child from his parent?

Sorry, but logic doesn’t back up your support for the police state. Your claim that the problem here is that the authorities are handcuffed doesn’t hold water when they refused the request—it showed that they CHOSE to keep the child.


19 posted on 01/25/2008 5:48:03 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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If you don’t have written approval from the parent to administer corporal punishment that will get you sued.


20 posted on 01/25/2008 5:48:32 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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