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1 posted on 01/24/2008 9:47:44 PM PST by Graybeard58
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If we are ever again to have fair elections in this country, then primary elections are going to have to be standardized and held on the same day in all states

I have no idea why they're not done this way, since we can certainly manage to hold a presidential election on the same day across the country.

2 posted on 01/24/2008 9:51:05 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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Disenfranchised Conservative Voter. A DCV—pretty much sums it up.


3 posted on 01/24/2008 9:51:17 PM PST by Mamzelle
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For God’s sake, will you Republicans LISTEN????????


4 posted on 01/24/2008 9:55:20 PM PST by DeLaine (Let me know if anything I say offends you, I may want to offend you again later.)
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Good article! Exactly my sentiments! I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who to vote for in FL primary! I’d tend to go with Ann’s choice, but I don’t agree with her on her choice and I cannot understand what she didn’t like with Fred or Duncan. I was shocked when she picked Romney!


5 posted on 01/24/2008 10:01:42 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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In this election cycle, the process was taken one step further. Poll results are generated by the MSM, and the MSM demonstrates a huge liberal bias and they obviously tilted the polls to show anticonservative results. Those polls were used to exclude the most conservative candidate from the debates in the EARLIEST PRIMARIES. So, we had biased media conducting biased polls and using that biased data to exclude the candidate they didn’t like, even though he had won a delegate and some of those jerks who had higher poll results hadn’t a single delegate to their name.

On Poll Results and the End of Conservatism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1951282/posts


7 posted on 01/24/2008 10:03:26 PM PST by Kevmo (We need to get rid of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. ~Duncan Hunter)
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Good Grief! This author has put to words exactly the discussions in this house. Every word is identical. Every thought is identical.

WOW!

Good article by the way.


8 posted on 01/24/2008 10:05:34 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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btt


10 posted on 01/24/2008 10:12:16 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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>>>>>A mass exodus from the Republican Party, now on the heels of Thompson's departure, would send a clear message to the party leadership that they have gone astray and are on the verge of collapse if they don't come back to the conservative base.

Forget the message, there is no conservative gonna get elected in November. I'd love for a candidate to step forward and pull 25% of Republicans away from the party trappings and tell the elitists, adios amigos.

12 posted on 01/24/2008 10:29:38 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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Somehow, it’s gotten to the point where candidates are expected to campaign for 2 years before the first primary or caucus day even occurs. Then everything’s over and decided 2 weeks later!

Plus, early open primaries screw us really good!


15 posted on 01/24/2008 10:33:25 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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Conservatives are loyal to their values and beliefs, not to a political party. The Republican Party no longer shares those values and beliefs and no longer deserves the support of conservatives...A mass exodus from the Republican Party, now on the heels of Thompson's departure, would send a clear message to the party leadership that they have gone astray

Alas, they've melded with the Democrats so far and for so long that they would now regard the departure of conservatives as that irritating burr known as ethics and conscious removed from their saddle. Free at last to romp with the donkeys in the fields of big government socialism and free to bite the constituents who fed them!

But how do we establish and sustain a Conservative Party in an environment where the ruling two have jiggered the rules to insure no third party has a chance? The "winner take all" delegate system is the largest hurdle to overcome.

18 posted on 01/24/2008 10:44:55 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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Good rant. I have a few quibbles.

First, Fred Thompson was the guy who shot Fred Thompson. I liked Fred's positions, but he made a bunch of miscalculations. There was a lot of support for him, but everyone else was running for a year before he laced up his shoes. He campaigned like he was disinterested in the whole process.

Duncan Hunter never got out of single digits. Heck, he barely got to single digits. I know the MSM wouldn't cover him, but if he was really electable, he would have figured out a way to make his name better known than the guy who played Squiggy on Laverne and Shirley.

Okay, here's the news flash: There are not enough conservatives to swing an election without forming a coalition with other people.

We've been running a circular firing squad since 1992. Pat Buchanan started it. Bush wasn't good enough for Buchanan, so he threw a tantrum and broke up the Republican party. Good for him. He blasted Bush and weakened him enough that Perot could finish him off. After doing his best to destroy the Republican party, he picked up his dolly and dishes and went to Perot's Reform party, helping to break it up.

Everybody CLAIMS they want Reagan to come back. Well, how about bringing back this part of Reagan's philosophy: "Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican." Let's debate issues, stand for principles, and seek the best candidate we can. When that is done, let's put aside animosity and work to elect our candidate.

19 posted on 01/24/2008 10:54:03 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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Yet the Republican leadership will never challenge the legitimacy of elections or the likelihood of voter fraud on the part of the Democrats.

The RNC rakes in much more money when the Democrats are in office. When their liberal RINOs are in office, they get mostly Nada Pesos ™.

20 posted on 01/24/2008 10:59:42 PM PST by meadsjn
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Re: "several liberal and moderate/independent states"

From Wikipedia's article on South Carolina:

In 1964, Barry Goldwater became the first Republican to win the state since Reconstruction. Since then, South Carolina has voted for a Republican in every presidential election from 1964 to 2004, with the exception of 1976 when Jimmy Carter, from neighboring Georgia, won the state over Gerald Ford. George W. Bush won the state in 2004 with 58% of the statewide vote over Senator John Kerry. Republicans now control the governorate, eight of nine statewide offices, both houses of legislature, both U.S. Senators, and four of six members of the U.S. House of Representatives.

SC should have been conservative enough to give Fred more than 15.7% of the vote, if Fred had a chance nationally. Hunter trailed Fred badly, and he now supports Huckabee, which should say all that needs saying about his candidacy.

Rather than complain about the primary schedule, we need better candidates. Where are the young, smart, dedicated, charismatic conservative candidates? Who, for example, is the conservative Republican version of Obama? By that I don't necessarily mean black, but young, smart, and able to appeal to college students?

21 posted on 01/24/2008 11:00:27 PM PST by TChad
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I think that if the primaries were all held on the same day it would put the selection process even more into the hands of the MSM, the big donors, and wealthy candidates. Neither Duncan nor Fred were ever going to have the money to simultaneously fund organizations and air ads in multiple big states before the voting started. And without returns from the first states there is no objective criteria to determine who is allowed to participate in the "debates". I would like to see different states take the first turns, maybe through a lottery of some sort, and for the earliest votes to be for registered Republicans only. The current system is flawed and disadvantageous to conservatives, but holding all of the primaries on the same day would make things much worse, I think.

The bottom line to me from this election is that Fred had a perfectly reasonable chance to get it done and just didn't run the sort of campaign he needed to. I say this as a Fredhead from the start who has not boosted any other candidate and is now only very reluctantly trying to warm up to the Mittster.

22 posted on 01/24/2008 11:07:55 PM PST by rogue yam
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I believe that ALL state primaries should be held between April 15th and April 30th.
28 posted on 01/25/2008 12:03:42 AM PST by taxcontrol
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When was the last time you got a call from the Republican Party asking for money, and they didn’t hit you with the “We have to beat Hillary” speech? Beating Hillary has become the primary, if not the only, cause of the Republican Party. The Clintons set out to ruin us, and in a round about way, they have. Conservative ideals, towards family, community, the Constitution our nation and the economy are what we need to beat Hillary and all the Hillarys to follow. Instead, we champion candidates who pay grudging homage to conservatism to sucker in the gullible, party faithful. They are semi pro life for as long as they have to be. They believe in the right to bear arms to shoot ducks until they can take those arms away. They love the invasion of illegals and amnesty, so long as it doesn’t cost them votes. They all promise to nominate strict, constructionist judges, all evidence to the contrary. They all promise to give us tax breaks, but can’t say how they are going to cut down the size of government They all, with the exception of Paul, promise to protect us from our enemies, but none of them can come to grips with the idea that Islam is our enemy or the simple concept of protecting our borders. They are all a bunch of liars, something that would have hurt a Republican in the past, but these days Republicans turn their heads, wink, and say that’s what Republican politicians have to do to get people with values to vote for them. Folks, these people are going to lose for us, and we won’t even have the satisfaction of saying we supported a worthy candidate. We are just doing what we’ve done for so long, supporting the lesser of two evils, and going with our best chance to beat Hillary. She is going to kick our butts. ...If the Republican Party is continue going in the direction it is right now, conservatives should consider getting out of its way.


30 posted on 01/25/2008 12:11:15 AM PST by pallis
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Oooooooooooooooooooooo

Someone who understanding Sob

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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31 posted on 01/25/2008 12:16:17 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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“Conservatives are loyal to their values and beliefs, not to a political party. The Republican Party no longer shares those values and beliefs and no longer deserves the support of conservatives......... I consider myself just another disenfranchised conservative voter.”

There is the core of the betrayal.....

My sentiments exactly...


33 posted on 01/25/2008 12:21:36 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Thank you for posting this article. This is exactly how my whole family out here in CA feels. We keep asking each other “Who are we going to vote for now”??????? It makes me sick sick sick sick.

For sure NOT McCain! The others, ah jeez and I don’t want to be a Paulbot!


48 posted on 01/25/2008 2:44:22 AM PST by CaliGirl-R (I miss my Hunter "pings")
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Well, I read it. Then I read it again. Pure unadulterated codswallop. Concentrated dumb.

My candidate didn't win so the system must be rigged. The voters are just too stupid to vote for Duncan Hunter. George Soros and the Clintons control the Republican nomination. Vote fraud done us in. The poor guy's been disenfrenchfried. OK, let's switch the first primary to his state so that he can vote for his choice. California is going to give us some REAL conservatives.

The current setup is the perfect opportunity for a conservative with broadbased appeal and little money. If he can convince Republicans in just two small states to support him, the road is open. If he can't, he is roadkill.

Politics is no yellow brick road. Conservatives should have the wind at our back. There is a formula for winning, we just have to be willing to look for it and know what it is when we find it. Sniveling isn't it, leave that to the Democrats.

49 posted on 01/25/2008 2:57:17 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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