lolol....I think you're missing something; don't leave home without it:
Posted on 01/17/2008 11:37:31 PM PST by pissant
Two California Republican congressmen yesterday called on President Bush to pardon two former U.S. Border patrol agents sent to prison a year ago this week for shooting a drug-smuggling suspect in the buttocks as he fled back into Mexico.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher accused Mr. Bush of being "arrogant and heartless" for refusing to pardon or commute the sentences of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were ordered last January to serve 11- and 12-year prison sentences, respectively.
He said they had spent the past year in solitary confinement "suffering conditions worse than detainees at Guantanamo Bay.
"It has been a year since Border Agents Ramos and Compean entered prison," Mr. Rohrabacher said. "This marks a year of shame for President Bush, who has been fully aware of the details of this blatant miscarriage of justice and chosen to do absolutely nothing about it.
"The president has shown us his arrogant and heartless side by permitting the wrongful incarceration of Ramos and Compean to continue," he said.
Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Republican presidential candidate who in- troduced a still-pending bill last year to pardon the agents, said Congress and the American people have "repeatedly expressed their outrage that such an injustice has been allowed to occur."
"These agents were convicted solely on the testimony of the drug dealer, who has since been indicted on federal drug charges for running drugs into the United States while serving as a federal witness," Mr. Hunter said. "Most disturbingly, he did so with border crossing cards he obtained for his cooperation."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Passing legislation after the fact cannot change the sentence by itself. The courts would have to agree to consider it and then the courts would have to agree that was the intent of the legislation.
“I thought you said the jury hardly paid attention to what OAD said?”
They paid no attention to it, that doesn’t mean they didn’t hear it.
As far as the pelvis/bone/pelvic thingy, who cares. Is this the minutia on which you claim R&C are innocent?
“Passing legislation after the fact cannot change the sentence by itself. The courts would have to agree to consider it and then the courts would have to agree that was the intent of the legislation.”
Uhhh...baloney.
Are you making this up as you go along?
lolol....I think you're missing something; don't leave home without it:
"It has been a year since Border Agents Ramos and Compean entered prison," Mr. Rohrabacher said. "This marks a year of shame for President Bush, who has been fully aware of the details of this blatant miscarriage of justice and chosen to do absolutely nothing about it."The president has shown us his arrogant and heartless side by permitting the wrongful incarceration of Ramos and Compean to continue," he said.
BTTT!!
“AOD testified at trial he immeditely went to a Mexican doctor but the severed urethra was beyond his skills to repair. As it is he will be wearing a Foley Bag (an outside bag that catches urine and has to be emptied several tims a day) for the rest of his life because he’s missing one inch of his urethra and that cannot be fixed.”
The records of the “Mexican doctor” have never been produced...
The foley bag, etc was inserted by a doctor at the US military hospital, a month after the allegded shooting...
“Except when it’s agents of the Government with badges shooting to kill unarmed fleeing SUSPECTS I don’t like in the back”
First of all, there is no proof he was unarmed. There is a lack of proof (according to the court) that he was armed. There is a huge difference between the two.
Second he was shot on the left side of his body. Just because it was at buttocks level does not mean he was shot in the back.
I will try to sum it up with a simple photograph...
BTW - You don't have to worry about someone going after you. Not enough meat on that bone.
Good on ya, Hunter.
“They didn’t even know if he was an illegal.”
They did know that the van came into this country illegally. The van set off an alarm as it crossed into this country. That is what started this whole affair. Also, they may not have known he was a drug smuggler, but they knew he acted like drug smugglers and he had come into this country illegally.
Cool! Thanks for the free advertisement, lolol!
“Where do you get that? I read the entire transcripts and the doctor on the stand said it entered his left buttock, severed his urethra, franctured his pelvis and then entered and lodged in his right thigh.”
It was in the transcript. The doctor referred to it as the left pelvic bone, but the word pelvis means basinlike cavity. A cavity can not be fractured. He must have been referring to the large bones that surround the pelvis. Most people refer to these as hip bones, but I think I have seen them medically referred to as pelvic bones before.
You and your cat kinda resemble each other. :-o
Sorry for the late ping... I missed this one.
PING!
RAMOS/COMPEAN Ping
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“They paid no attention to it, that doesn’t mean they didn’t hear it.”
If they are talking about believability of witnesses, they did pay attention and their credibility has to be questioned if one person made both the statement that they didn’t pay much attention to OAD and they believed the said the OAD was more believable than the agents.
“As far as the pelvis/bone/pelvic thingy, who cares. Is this the minutia on which you claim R&C are innocent?”
I think I will reread a portion of the transcript again and get back to you on that.
“Uhhh...baloney.
Are you making this up as you go along?”
Do you know how our court system works? It is not the job of the legislature to determine criminal sentences. That is the job of the courts.
“The records of the “Mexican doctor” have never been produced...”
And what differnce does that make? Does that mean R&C are innocent of the attempted cover up?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Well put. Let me clarify for you. There is no justice system in America. That dream went out the window shortly after the Revolution, over 200 years ago. What we have here in America is a legal industry, based on the premise that money buys you justice. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a damn liar.
Now. In the present case, the BP agents have no serious money so the legal industry does not recognize them as customers. As a result they get no service. If they had a million dollars from some benefactor, they would be free men today. That is the cold hard reality of the legal industry in the USA circa 2008.
I bet if they converted to Islam they’d get red carpet treatment!
(not sarcasm!)
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