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1 posted on 01/11/2008 8:07:06 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Dude, grass will also give you the munchies.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 8:08:50 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: tobyhill

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1950902/posts


3 posted on 01/11/2008 8:08:53 AM PST by z3n
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To: tobyhill

Switchgrass is better and it grows with far less water and care than corn. I also understand that farmers don’t like it because by pushing corn, the price of corn gets pushed up due to competition between corn as a food product and energy source. Maybe farmers need to work on a per-BTU pricing structure.


4 posted on 01/11/2008 8:09:16 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: tobyhill
Isn’t there also research into cellulose ethanol which can come from most any plant. That would be something turn your grass clippings and hedge trimmings into fuel.
5 posted on 01/11/2008 8:09:21 AM PST by NYCynic
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To: tobyhill

Ron Paul supporters hardest hit.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 8:10:21 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: tobyhill

I’m sure the eco wacks and statists will be along shortly to protest any possible alternatives to foreign oil.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 8:10:39 AM PST by MoMagic
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To: tobyhill

the hippies got excited there for a minute util it was explained it was for switchgrass.

(then they got the munchies and tried to eat it)


13 posted on 01/11/2008 8:14:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: tobyhill

Then we can all recycle our grass clippings, get a tax credit, and make fuel for the auto????????


14 posted on 01/11/2008 8:15:06 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: tobyhill

Ungrammatical headline.

Ethanol is a chemical formula. It’s chemically identical regardless of the feedstock.

What they meant is that switchgrass makes a better feedstock, but that’s not what they said.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 8:16:06 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tobyhill

Using grass for fuel is great and all, but where am I supposed to find rolling papers big enough to hold my car?


18 posted on 01/11/2008 8:17:01 AM PST by nhoward14 (Fred Thompson will get it DUN DUN in 2008!)
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To: tobyhill

Logically, cellulosic material should be usable to create ethanol. This information on switchgrass is quite interesting because of the increased energy component of the final product, when compared to corn.
Clearly deserves more research.

We need to get off foreign oil; all foreign oil. Ehtanol is but one way to help achieve that end. Others include increased drilling in domestic properties, construction of new refineries, and deployment of more solar, wind, hydroelectric and nuclear generation caoacity.

Time for the tree huggers and enviro-whackos to get out of the way.


21 posted on 01/11/2008 8:18:17 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: tobyhill

Sugar cane makes better ethanol than either, but they don’t row it where it will do either party any political good.


26 posted on 01/11/2008 8:24:48 AM PST by Natural Law
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Corn-based ethanol was ALWAYS a bad idea for biofuels.

Better idea - burn the refuse from the corn grain production, applying something called Startech’s Plasma Converter System, which may also be used to transform feedstock materials such as used tires, municipal solid waste and biomass into ethanol.

This is a concept straight out of Star Wars, and it has been refined to a pretty high level. Electricity may be co-generated with this process, and in the end, it is practically carbon-neutral, if it is using only organic waste. A secondary by-product from the plasma, a kind of slag that could be used as a building material, is formed from the inorganic substances that are dumped with the organic trash.

A third byproduct, heat, may be used directly to generate the energy needed to create the plasma torch that is the heart of the system, creating a temperature of 33,000 degrees Fahrenheit at the center of the torch. Not perpetual motion, but a great deal derived from something that is essentially a disposal problem. Look it up.

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/2006_articles/Raw_Materials.pdf


27 posted on 01/11/2008 8:26:01 AM PST by alloysteel (The enormity of the truth is incredible. You could not make this stuff up.)
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To: tobyhill

If grass works as a fuel without the magical application of tax subsidy, then more power to it.


35 posted on 01/11/2008 8:36:08 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: tobyhill

Whether you use grass or corn, it causes more CO2 to be released into the atmosphere to manufacture ethanol than to just use gasoline. Not that CO2 released into the atmosphere makes any difference to anything.


42 posted on 01/11/2008 9:18:16 AM PST by Mogollon
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To: tobyhill

DUH, I guess this is result of millions of dollars of government funded research.


44 posted on 01/11/2008 9:25:45 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: tobyhill

www.gasification.org/Docs/2006_Papers/27LAND.pdf

There is a plant that is about to be (started on) constructed at NewPage paper corp in Escanaba Mi.

They are in the initial stages of planning at this time.


45 posted on 01/11/2008 9:26:16 AM PST by crz
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To: tobyhill
I feel like Jed Clampett....sitting on a gold mine of grass that I'll sell to the highest bidder.

U.S. Army Retired


52 posted on 01/11/2008 6:09:28 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (REAGAN: "..party..must represent certain fundamental beliefs [not] compromised..[for] expediency")
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