Posted on 01/03/2008 4:18:41 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB
TRENTON, N.J.New Jersey is close to entering a compact that would eliminate the power of the Electoral College to choose a president if enough states endorse the idea. The state Senate voted Thursday to approve delivering the state's 15 electoral votes for president to the winner of the national popular vote. The Assembly approved the measure in December and needs Gov. Jon S. Corzine's signature to become law.
"The bill is subject to a thorough review, but Gov. Corzine has long been a supporter of this concept," Corzine spokesman Jim Gardner said.
The measure could result in the electoral votes going to a candidate opposed by voters in New Jersey, which has backed Democratic presidential candidates since 1988.
The compact would take effect only if enough statesthose with a majority of votes in the Electoral Collegeagreed to it. A candidate needs 270 of 538 electoral votes to win.
(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...
From the article - New Jersey's Electoral votes would only be divided this way if a MAJORITY of other states did the same thing (IOW FIXING EVERY ELECTION SO THAT IT IS DECIDED BY THAT SET OF STATES).
The compact would take effect only if enough statesthose with a majority of votes in the Electoral Collegeagreed to it.
THis is a direct violation of the commerce clause of the Constitution.
IF THE FOLLOWING STATES JOINED THE COMPACT :
California (55), Illinois (21), Michigan (17), Florida (27), New Jersey (15), New York (31), Texas (34), Pennsylvania (21), Ohio (20), North Carolina (15), Georgia (15), D.C. (3) --- you have 273 ELectoral Votes. MEaning these 11 States and Washington D.C. will Garauntee victory to the "popular Vote" winner of every election. Thereby rendering the Electoral votes of 39 states IRRELEVANT.
shhhhh! they didn’t think that far ahead. Let’s hope they don’t read this post.
You have this exactly backward, FRiend. It is the smaller population states that have more say in the Electoral College. The vote of a person in Wyoming is worth about twice as much as the vote of somebody in California when it comes to picking the President.
It really is scarey that people like him, with absolutely no concept of what he is talking about, are actually what the strong majority of people in the country think the Electoral College is.
Section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Disenfranchising the citizens of a state does not comply with the Constitution.
Correct answer.
scarey = scary
You are being B-slapped unmercifully!
Democrat scum have zero respect for our Constitution and our traditions. The Electoral College has functions ed very well for 200+ years but this obviously isn’t good enough for Dem scum. They think they can do better-
I think it has been a sort of rule of thumb that a million more people have to vote for the Republican presidential candidate than vote for the Democrat in order to break even. That has been the wisdom for long enough that I suspect the number would actually be higher now, maybe a lot higher.
That clause states that the Legislature may choose the electors in any manner it may chose. I do not see where it provides the power to instruct them how to vote. Article 4, section 4 of the Constitution guarantees every citizen of every state a republican form of government. To allow voters in other states to instruct electors in your state how to vote would violate that guarantee.
Power of the incumbency? Duh???
I thought I read, about a year ago, that Maryland already did this.
Idiots! They have disenfranchised themselves and taken away the rights of their citizens.
Say you are the governor of New York, but because of this compact, your state is going to be forced to cast Electoral Votes for the Republican against your Senator, Hillary Clinton. Wouldn't you do everything you could to weasel out on the deal? It is not like the New York voters are going to hold you accountable for helping elect "their girl"...
When push comes to shove, somebody is going to renege, and the whole thing will fall apart. This will make Florida 2000 look like a Church Social.
There are three initiatives now circulating for signatures having to do with electoral votes; none have yet qualified (but if they get enough signatures, they will be on the June ballot). Two are similar to this New Jersey plan (#1281, #1282). The other (#1268) is as you describe, where EV’s would be allocated by CD. This latter one is being bankrolled by the Giuliani gang, the former two by the Democrats.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm#1277
i’m delighted. maybe the gop will have a chance in NJ afterall.
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