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Texas: Forced DUI Blood Draws Expand
Texas Police News ^ | 12/26/07 | Texas Police News

Posted on 12/28/2007 7:07:11 PM PST by elkfersupper

More Texas jurisdictions are turning to forced blood draws to convict those suspected of DUI.

Jurisdictions within Texas are expanding programs where police use force to draw blood from motorists accused of driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI). Last week, El Paso announced it had joined Harris and Wilson Counties in a "no refusal" program specifically designed to streamline the blood drawing process.

It works as follows. An accused motorist is arrested and taken downtown. While being videotaped, he will be asked to submit to a breathalyzer test with officers specifically avoiding any mention that blood will be taken by force if the often inaccurate breathalyzer test is refused.

During key holiday weekends, a pre-assigned judge who agreed to wait by the phone will approve search warrants created from pre-written templates -- often within just thirty minutes. With warrant in hand, a nurse whose salary is often paid by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) will draw blood while police officers exert the required level of force. In some cases, this use of force can cause permanent damage. Montague, Archer and Clay counties have similar programs except that these departments do away with the nurse and have police officers perform the blood draw themselves, despite a state law banning the practice (view law).

Two of the twelve motorists subjected to the first blood draws in Harris County on Memorial Day weekend this year were later found to have blood alcohol levels below the .08 limit. The program will return on New Year's Eve.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; madd
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To: Ditter
You want to drink and drive.

Got drunk and didn't drive once in in 1969

Try again.

361 posted on 12/29/2007 7:28:44 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: eyedigress

Wrong.


362 posted on 12/29/2007 7:29:12 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Wrong

A nonfatal accident is considered alcohol-involved or alcohol-related whenever a police accident report indicates there is evidence of alcohol present. This does not necessarily mean that a driver, passenger, or nonoccupant was actually tested for alcohol.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/ps99/rpt/olr/99-r-0154.doc

363 posted on 12/29/2007 7:33:48 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Solitar
Just avoid Texas.

Texas is one of the last free states that don't conduct sobriety checkpoints.

I'm sure that people like you will end that soon.

364 posted on 12/29/2007 7:34:39 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Just as I suspected, you drink and drive all the time. No wonder you think LEO is out to get you, it’s because they are.


365 posted on 12/29/2007 7:34:49 PM PST by Ditter
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To: dsc
Tell me how it doesn’t follow that bars should be banned.

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Works for me!

lololol

366 posted on 12/29/2007 7:36:06 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have no idea if the stats you posted from the CDCP are accurate or not, but if you are unaware that the CDCP are a bunch of liberal political hacks then you have been in lala land.


367 posted on 12/29/2007 7:36:53 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So... where does this definition leave me? I DO think 0.08% is too low... but, I DON'T believe the laws against DWI are too harsh.

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Actuallly my definition of a pro-drunk driving enthusiast is anyone who thinks .08 is too low. Or one who thinks the laws against DWI are too harsh. So... where does this definition leave me? I DO think 0.08% is too low... but, I DON'T believe the laws against DWI are too harsh.

You therefore, are a semi-pro.

368 posted on 12/29/2007 7:40:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

troll be gone!


369 posted on 12/29/2007 7:40:39 PM PST by dennisw
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To: cizinec
I’ve had to call 911 four times in the last 8 months.

Never call 911.

The only person who's freedom gets endangered by doing that is you.

370 posted on 12/29/2007 7:41:48 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: LachlanMinnesota

My attorney destroyed the state’s case on several fronts: he caught the arresting officer in blatant lies on the stand, he discovered and proved the problems with machine maintenance, he presented “expert” testimony that challenged the accuracy of both the machine and the concept of correlating “breath alcohol” with “blood alcohol”, and he even had the HPD head chemist testify under oath that the Breathalyzer was “not a chemical test”... which, at the time was REQUIRED under Texas law..(subsequently changed). Mine was somewhat of a model case that drew free support from a couple of larger firms.

I have little doubt about the machine’s accuracy in measuring alcohol in a person’s breath (when properly maintained) Even in 1983, IR machines were accurate in this way. But, there are MANY other factors that have tremendous affect on a person’s actual impairment. Things like.. TIME since the alcohol was consumed, other compounds in the bloodstream, physical and mental conditioning, the “blood-brain barrier”, etc... All these factors contribute to a significant “measurement error” when correlated with “impairment”.

Again.. that’s why I think the ‘sensible’ way to approach this problem (and, I DEFINITELY think drunk driving IS a problem).... is to get away from aggressive enforcement of marginally impaired people, and get MORE aggressive with punishment for people who are obviously, and demonstrably impaired... and, move toward ZERO tolerance for repeat offenders.


371 posted on 12/29/2007 7:43:36 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: moehoward
I honestly don’t believe they want to end drinking. They just want the allowable amount to be so minuscule, anyone is suspect. DUIs are HUGE money makers.

You are correct.

The purpose is to end travel by private automobile.

372 posted on 12/29/2007 7:44:57 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: pepsionice
I’d make this real simple...either accept the blood test...or we take your car...here and now

What has to happen in order to have your property taken away?

373 posted on 12/29/2007 7:47:19 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Good question. As I carry scars inflicted by a drunk driver, I am a proud MADD supporter as MADD was able to help and assist me in obtaining justice.

You should be advocating against cell phone talkers who drive. Or other stupid drivers.

Some may argue that inattentive drivers who yack on cell phone are just as dangerous as a drunk driver. I don’t know. But I do know that alcohol mixed with a pair of car keys leads to 17,000+ deaths each year.


374 posted on 12/29/2007 7:47:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: AmericaUnited

Read it again. They are talking about the auto driver being drunk or the pedestrian that got run over being drunk or the bicyclist involved in the collision being drunk. They aren’t talking about passengers.


375 posted on 12/29/2007 7:47:32 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: dsc
It's quite disingenuous of you to continue to attribute any of the counts to MADD when you know quite well they are quoting other peoples numbers. As well as any connection I may or may not have with them, which there is none. I don't know anyone in the organization and I have never contributed one cent to their campaign. In fact, I think it's over the top most of the time. But none of that has stopped you from fabricating a connection now has it?

As far as being a prohibitionist, I'm far from it. I don't care if you get sh*t faced daily, just stay off the road. Again, you have your pat argument against issues I never brought up.

You make the claim that it's about rights, but it appears the only right you are referring to is the right to drink and drive otherwise you wouldn't be spouting .1% is safe.

376 posted on 12/29/2007 7:50:49 PM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks for posting this.

I’m sadly not surprised to see this, as a Harris County resident.


377 posted on 12/29/2007 7:51:59 PM PST by YCTHouston
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To: SouthTexas

Eh? Not even close.


378 posted on 12/29/2007 7:54:04 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: jonascord

I laughed and laughed.


379 posted on 12/29/2007 7:57:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Responsibility2nd
We are only 1 of 11 states that do not have DWI checkpoints.

God bless Texas!!

380 posted on 12/29/2007 7:59:25 PM PST by inneroutlaw
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