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Straight Answers to Fox’s 21 Questions about the Mormon Church
Parchment and Pen ^ | Rob Bowman

Posted on 12/19/2007 11:58:37 AM PST by Gamecock

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FOXNews.com today published 21 questions that it says represent “some widely held beliefs and misconceptions about Mormonism” and answers provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Since some (not all) of the Church’s answers were less than forthright, I will offer straight answers to the same questions. Fox’s questions appear first in bold type, followed by the Church’s responses in italics, and then followed by my answers.

Q: Why do some call the Church a cult?
A: For the most part, this seems to stem from a lack of understanding about the Church and its core doctrines and beliefs. Under those circumstances it is too easy to label a religion or other organization that is not well-known with an inflammatory term like ‘cult.’ Famed scholar of religion Martin Marty has said a cult means a church you don’t personally happen to like. We don’t believe any organization should be subjected to a label that has come to be as pejorative as that one.
The above answer makes no attempt to understand why some people call the LDS Church a cult. The term is characteristically used by evangelical critics of Mormonism to denote a religious group that professes to be Christian but that deviates from essential Christian doctrine in one or more areas. By “essential Christian doctrine” evangelicals mean those teachings that historically Christians of all of the major denominations have taught: monotheism; God as Creator of all things other than himself; the Trinity; the Incarnation; salvation by grace alone; and the virgin birth, sinless life, sacrificial atoning death, bodily resurrection, ascension, and second coming of Jesus Christ. Since Mormonism departs from historic Christianity on some of these doctrinal issues, we have no choice but to conclude that it is a “cult” as defined above. If you don’t like the word cult, feel free to substitute in your mind an equivalent expression, such as “heretical sect” or “unorthodox church.”

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

Q: Does the Church believe in the divinity of Jesus?
Q: Does the Church believe that God is a physical being?
A: Mormons believe Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God, the Savior and Redeemer, who died for the sins of humankind and rose from the dead on the third day with an immortal body. God, the Father, also has an immortal body.
What this answer—which is accurate as far as it goes—neglects to make explicit is that Mormons understand what it means for Jesus to be “the Son of God” in a way that differs radically from orthodox Christianity. When they say they believe he is “literally” the Son of God, the significance of this qualification will be lost on most people. Mormons believe that God the Father is an immortal Man and that he is the literal father of Jesus Christ “in the flesh,” just as Mary is his literal mother (see below). This is not what orthodox Christianity means when it affirms that Jesus is the Son of God. To us, Christ has existed eternally as the Son of God, personally distinct from the Father yet one and the same God. For us, to affirm that Jesus is the Son of God means to affirm that he is eternally of the same absolute, infinite divine nature as the Father.

It is peculiar that the LDS Church did not directly address the question of the divinity of Jesus. In their view, Jesus is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament, and yet he is a different God than Elohim, the Father, and will always be subordinate to him. Mormons do not pray to Jesus. In their view, Jesus, and all other human beings, and all angels, existed in the distant past as the spirit offspring of our heavenly parents (God the Father and his wife); Jesus is simply our Elder Brother and the first of God’s children to become a God himself.

Q: If so, does the Church believe that God lives on a planet named Kolob?
Q: Where is the planet Kolob? What significance does the planet have to Mormons?
A: ‘Kolob’ is a term found in ancient records translated by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith did not provide a full description or explanation of Kolob nor did he assign the idea particular significance in relation to the Church’s core doctrines.
What this answer does not explain is that those “ancient records translated by Joseph Smith” are considered scripture in the LDS Church. Kolob is mentioned in the Book of Abraham (3:2-9), where it is somewhat unclear whether Kolob is the name of a distant star, its planet, or both. Kolob is said to be nearest to God’s throne. The passage implies that God rules from a physical location that, while extremely far away, is still within the space-time universe.

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that God and Mary had physical sex to conceive Jesus?
A: The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible and Book of Mormon references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary.
If the LDS Church really believed the Bible’s teaching that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, without any equivocation in terminology, then it would be able to say categorically that it does know that Jesus was not conceived by sexual union between God and Mary. The fact that the Church is unable officially to rule this out is itself problematic. The natural logic of the LDS view surely does at least suggest that God and Mary conceived Jesus through sexual union: God is an immortal male, Mary is a mortal woman, and Jesus is said (repeatedly and emphatically) to be the “literal” offspring of the two. One may resort to the ad hoc suggestion that the conception took place through something akin to in vitro fertilization (and some Mormons do take this route), but up to now the Church has failed to take a stand against the view (quite clearly held by at least some of its prophets in times past) that the conception took place through a sexual union.

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe Jesus appeared in North America after his crucifixion and resurrection?

Q: If so, when did this happen? And under what circumstances?
A: The appearance of Jesus in the Western Hemisphere shortly after his resurrection is described in the Book of Mormon. Mormons believe that when Christ told his disciples in the Bible He had other ‘sheep’ who should receive his message he was referring to those people in the Western Hemisphere.
The LDS Church’s answer to these questions is reasonably straightforward and candid. This is their view.

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe its followers can become “gods and goddesses” after death?
A: We believe that the apostle Peter’s biblical reference to partaking of the divine nature and the apostle Paul’s reference to being ‘joint heirs with Christ’ reflect the intent that children of God should strive to emulate their Heavenly Father in every way. Throughout the eternities, Mormons believe, they will reverence and worship God the Father and Jesus Christ. The goal is not to equal them or to achieve parity with them but to imitate and someday acquire their perfect goodness, love and other divine attributes.
Frankly, this is an incomplete answer. The official LDS position is indeed that its followers can become gods (and goddesses) after their death (though perhaps long after). According to the LDS doctrinal manual Gospel Principles, those who endure to the end will “become exalted, just like our Heavenly Father.” This means that they will be perfect, possessing all knowledge and wisdom, and be a creator. “They will become gods…and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father” (302). This doctrine is derived primarily from Joseph Smith’s teachings, and is found at least in its basic form in the LDS scripture Doctrine and Covenants (see especially chapter 132).

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that women can only gain access to heaven with a special pass or codewords?
A: No.
Unfortunately, the question is ambiguous enough that it allows at least one loophole or way of avoiding the issue. Mormonism teaches that there are multiple layers of “heaven,” or multiple heavens (both ways of speaking are used). Women may gain access to the highest, celestial kingdom only by giving her special, secret name that she received when she was “sealed” for eternity in her marriage to her husband in the LDS temple.

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that women must serve men on both Earth and in heaven?
A: Absolutely not. Mormons believe that women and men are complete equals before God and in relation to the blessings available in the Church.
Well…Mormonism is one of the more patriarchal forms of Christianity in the world today, and even some Mormons have expressed concerns in this area. No, Mormonism does not teach that women will be chattel in heaven. Yes, Mormonism does teach that women will be eternally subordinate to their husbands even in the celestial kingdom. Note well that the Mormon “Godhead” consists of Heavenly Father, his firstborn spirit Son, and the Holy Ghost, but not our alleged heavenly mother. This ought to tell you that there is some serious truth to the complaint that women will be viewed as inferiors even in glory.

Q: Is there such a thing as Mormon “underwear”? if so, are all Mormons required to wear it? What does it symbolize?
A: Like members of many religious faiths, Latter-day Saints wear religious clothing. But members of other faiths—typically those involved in permanent pastoral ministries or religious services—usually wear religious garments as outer ceremonial vestments or symbols of recognition. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, garments are worn beneath street clothing as a personal and private reminder of commitments to God. Garments are considered sacred by Church members and are not regarded as a topic for casual conversation.
Fair enough (although more could be said).

Q: Does the Mormon Church believe in the existence of another physical planet or planets, where Mormons will “rule” after their death and ascension?
A: No.
Another loophole: these other planets don’t exist yet because the Mormons have not yet become Gods and organized matter into those new worlds.

Q: What specifically does the Mormon Church say about African-Americans and Native Americans?
A: Mormons believe that all mankind are sons and daughters of God and should be loved and respected as such. The blessings of the gospel are available to all.
Who wrote this question? It totally misses the point, which is that for most of its history the LDS Church, in its expanded canon of scripture, taught that dark-skinned people were those spirit children of God in heaven who had not been as valiant in their support for God’s plan as had those who are born into this world with light skin.

Q: What are or were the “Golden Plates”?
A: The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith from records made on plates of gold, similar to metal plates that have been found in other ancient cultures. It contained a history of peoples in the Western Hemisphere including an appearance by the Savior to them. As such, the Book of Mormon is considered a second testimony of Jesus Christ.
This adequately states the LDS Church’s position. It would be nice if the Church had acknowledged that the plates are no longer around (they claim an angel took them up to heaven), but that might be asking too much.

Q: Are consumption of alcohol and tobacco prohibited or simply discouraged?
Q: Does the Church also ban the consumption of “hot drinks”? And does that apply specifically to caffeinated drinks?
A: It is against the teachings of the Church to use alcohol and tobacco or to drink tea and coffee.
I wonder why the Church ignored the question about caffeinated drinks? A straight answer would be that although the Church has never officially prohibited all use of any caffeinated drink, its leaders have typically interpreted the Church’s teaching to discourage their consumption.

Q: Why do Mormons go from door to door?
A: Christ admonished his disciples to take the gospel to the world. The Church follows that admonition and sends missionaries throughout the world.
This is correct.

Q: What do the Mormons believe about the family?

A: Mormons believe that the family is the foundation for this life and the life to come.
What this does not adequately explain is that Mormons get married not just for this life, but also for the life to come—meaning that marriage is for eternity. The reason marriage is for eternity is that Mormons hope to become exalted to godhood and to have spirit children of their own, just as their heavenly parents did.

Q: Can someone who may never marry in life have eternal marriage?
A: God will not withhold blessings from any of his children who may not have the opportunity to marry in this life.
I’m afraid this looks like a slippery answer. If it is true that marriage in this life is necessary to attain marriage for eternity, then God would not have to “withhold” marriage for eternity from those who died without ever getting married; they would simply miss out. Furthermore, Mormonism has no trouble teaching that there are “blessings” awaiting even those who do not make it to the celestial kingdom.

Mormons certainly have the right to define their own beliefs. However, they also have the responsibility to answer such questions more candidly than the Church’s representative did on this occasion.


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To: fproy2222; Reno232

Reword? It’s a direct quote!

Once again, if you cannot, or are unable to, fathom facts & truth, then you will never find your way.

Your faith is based on a fairy tale, period. There are mountains of facts and information in support of this contention.

Whether you choose to seek it out and accept it is your choice.

I worship a demi-God? How do you have one iota of an idea how or wha/who I worship? You don’t and have resorted to bigotry and name-calling because the facts and history of your own faith is laughable at best.


161 posted on 12/22/2007 10:38:21 AM PST by nesnah
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To: Reno232

Umm, in the Bible, the U&T were not used to translate texts. They were used in ways completely different. Wow, you really have been hood-winked by your leaders.


162 posted on 12/22/2007 10:57:31 AM PST by nesnah
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To: nesnah
Actually, they were used in various ways, but always to do w/ divination. Would not translation of an ancient record in a foreign language perhaps necessitate divination. Of course the Urim & Thummim weren’t used to translate texts back then, there was no need. The texts were in their own language.

Are you really saying the Lord couldn’t instruct someone to use His “gifts” in a manner that may not be familiar to you, or recorded for that matter?

163 posted on 12/22/2007 11:49:20 AM PST by Reno232
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To: nesnah
Reword? It’s a direct quote!

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If you can not go up stream and see how the original set of word differed from how you restated them, then I am not the one with the problem.

164 posted on 12/22/2007 4:16:10 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: fproy2222

Ummm, once again, the words that were included in my post were a direct quote from David Whitmer himself- NO CHANGES. I guess you have a problem with your own church’s history records. Quite frankly, if I were you, I would as well.

Geez, I swear, hit one of you upsdie the head with a 2 x 4 and you’d opine it was something else.


165 posted on 12/22/2007 4:28:43 PM PST by nesnah
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To: nesnah
I worship a demi-God? How do you have one iota of an idea how or wha/who I worship? You don’t and have resorted to bigotry and name-calling because the facts and history of your own faith is laughable at best.

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Boy are you easy to rattle.

By the definition of a demigod, Jesus Christ is the only one there ever was, or ever will be.

{The term “demigod”, ...is a modern distinction, often misapplied in Greek mythology. “Demigod” is meant to identify a person whose one parent was a god and whose other parent was human.}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demigod

But you see, because most people only think of stories like Heracles, when talking about a demigod, I was able to induce the anger you showed in your response. Really easy to control people this way. You were.

I did not even have to pretend a word like “ROCK” was what is really called a “Urim and Thummin”, or a “Seer Stone”.

Now go and learn how you hurt people, with you unthinking (I hope) use of words.

fred

166 posted on 12/22/2007 4:41:54 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: nesnah
First of all, do have a link to this quote? Second, was David Whitmer ever present when this occurred? In other words, was he a direct witness to this or was this just hearsay? Third, you do realize that Whitmer became a disaffected member of the church & albeit never renounced his witness of the BOM, he became an avowed enemy of Joseph & the church.

I can post a number of writings by apostates that claim all kinds of falsehoods about the church that have been totally discredited. I can point to a number right here on this board. But, I’m willing to look. Show me the credible link, I would love to learn more.

167 posted on 12/22/2007 4:43:58 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Gamecock

One’s religion is relative to his election, as there is no real separation from one’s beliefs and actions, as the latter are overall determined by and manifest what one really believes. The “religion” of most politicians is that of political pragmaticism, by which getting elected largely determines one’s positions.

In re. to Romney, while a true Christian is to hold the Bible as his ultimate authority, and thus we can be sure one can not take up arms in seeking to defend or expand the faith if acting consistent with the New Testament (i am not speaking of the possibility of protecting innocent life in an immediate threat, or in a police type job), the case of a person who professes faith in a religion whose heads claim authority over the Bible is a different case. Under such Rome took upon much of the form of the Roman Empire and much used its means to unBiblically to achieve it’s ends, while the Mormons definitely also acted unBiblically in it’s Utah war*. Etc. Just as her fantastic fable in the BOM and her doctrines are. And thus a profession to uphold the Constitution as well as be faithful to his faith is problematic (as is a faithful Christian being President, but due to the kind of moral comprise required).

And to a much lesser degree, even the Pilgrims acted rongly in seeking to establish a theocracy, as Roger Williams realized. And changed, as the Bible supports separation of church and state (Mt. 22:17-21; Jn. 18:36; 1Cor. 5:12, 13), which Jesus and the early church exampled. Christian theocracies fail, as the New covenant does not support such.

Of course, it is impossible to completely separate beliefs from an educational or legal system, as they are founded upon such. And presently secularism has much displaced the morality based upon general Christian faith.

*http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon320.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/utah.htm


168 posted on 12/22/2007 7:30:13 PM PST by daniel1212 ( The potential danger of Mormonism, etc.)
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To: Reno232

Google is your friend. Look in your own church’s records. It’s right there, and, if you knew anything about your history, you would already know he was there, and also you would have already been aware of this happening. This is my point - most church folks have no idea what really happened, just the sweet little purified and white-washed images and stories that they have been fed.

As far as the argument I have heard ad infinitum about witnesses never recanting their testimony - have you ever considered that this is so because they do not wish to be notoriously remembered after their deaths that they were con men and cheap liars their whole lives?


169 posted on 12/23/2007 3:57:16 AM PST by nesnah
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To: JamesP81

One of the reasons I left the LDS after I got saved was that I came to the conclusion that it was not biblical that a man could become a god in time.

Congratulations on getting out. My Uncle too, and he finally saw what you did. I could never vote for Romney because his first loyalty would NEVER be to the country, but to Mormonism as he has shown as oath on that.


170 posted on 12/25/2007 3:39:28 AM PST by greccogirl
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To: unspun

YES.

Mitt Romney is a Temple Mormon, a High Priest, and as such he has sworn blood oaths of sacrifice, obedience and consecration to the church and the soon coming, long prophesied “Kingdom of God.”

His belief in and obedience to these laws will allow him to become a polygamous god in the next life, the literal father of the peoples of a new and different earth. He wears secret undergarments marked with sacred talismanic symbols that he believes will keep him protected as he works his way to godhood. He is truly a Presidential candidate with an actual, definable god complex.


171 posted on 12/25/2007 3:40:13 AM PST by greccogirl
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To: greccogirl

They shoot Mormons, don’t they?


172 posted on 12/25/2007 3:46:45 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (Merry Christmas)
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To: greccogirl

Well, Merry Christmas. ;-)

If that’s right, then maybe if he loses, he could do an advertizing gig with Haynes.

(”Filthy rags” are what the Lord calls our self-generated “righteousness.”)


173 posted on 12/25/2007 3:47:22 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

They shoot Mormons, don’t they?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1828301/posts


174 posted on 12/25/2007 3:48:20 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (Merry Christmas)
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To: greccogirl

Merry Christmas. Mormons love Christmas and I was watching Christmas programs on BYU channel last night. We love Christmas, the birth of the Savior of all mankind. My heart is filled with love for the Savior today.


175 posted on 12/25/2007 3:51:07 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (Merry Christmas)
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To: meandog

No. It does matter because he has sworn allegiance to this church ABOVE ALL. The Cartooon is correct. It is not anti-anything it simply shows the truth.


176 posted on 12/25/2007 3:54:31 AM PST by greccogirl
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To: Saundra Duffy; greccogirl

Well shucks, Saundra.

Does such a person realize he is a hopeless sinner, except that eternal God, our Creator, became a man and suffered the penalty of our sins — and that nothing we can possibly do can merit salvation?

Or, does such a person think he can be elevated by his doings to becoming a god, or demigod?

And if the latter is true, what keeps him from acting like one, now?

(And exactly what do those Mormon “high priests” agree upon, in their clandestine meetings?)


177 posted on 12/25/2007 3:57:14 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: JAKraig

It is easy to laugh about this doctrine but as far as I know no other Christian church teaches that there is any way that a baby who dies at birth to go any place but straight to Hell.

What? How in the world did you ever come up with this? NO CHRISTIAN church teaches such a thing. It is not scriptural at all. A child is an innocent and has no requirement for automatic ‘Hell’ if it dies young. Wow.


178 posted on 12/25/2007 4:08:38 AM PST by greccogirl
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To: unspun

“(And exactly what do those Mormon “high priests” agree upon, in their clandestine meetings?)”

I wonder . . . since you obviously believe the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a rotten bunch of evil deceived nut jobs, why do you care?

Again, I love my Church and I love my Savior; I love the Holy Ghost and I love Heavenly Father.

I am awake in the middle of the night because I am excited about Christmas - my family will be with me. We Mormons believe that families are precious and sacred - and not all of my family are LDS, mind you.


179 posted on 12/25/2007 4:16:25 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (Merry Christmas)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m interested - how can you disbelieve the founder of your own church? Without Joseph Smith, there would be no mormonism. Very curious thing, wouldn’t you say?


180 posted on 12/25/2007 4:18:38 AM PST by greccogirl
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