Posted on 12/18/2007 7:41:42 AM PST by mnehring
YouTube video via Drudge- Ron Paul quote this morning on Fox and Friends- "When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. "
Please, send me what you have that shows me that we are winning. This isn’t sarcasm. Show me what says what the specific goal of this war is, because the happenings in iRaq simply can’t be seen by most of us, first-hand.
So all you’re offering is another conspiracy theory, and like most conspiracy theories you demand people prove a negative.
In your mind, a vast conspiracy to fake FEC information, which would unravel the moment one person notices their job was changed, is far more credible than a plurality of members of the military supporting an Air Force veteran campaigning on the traditional Republican foreign policy. If the employer information is all faked, why hasn’t anyone noticed?
What about the fact most of it is coming from red states. Is that also a conspiracy?
Re-read Ecclesiastes if you are so inclined. It makes any argument regarding living without God better than I can. You can smell the desert after a rain with or without a relationship with God. But it’s all vanity, worthless, in that the bad man as well as the good can do the same and the action is of no consequence or effect. The next moment you will smell something else not as sweet. You live and die as do all others and “the race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all.”
Without God there is void and no meaning. You have an existential or epicurian existence only which offers little joy or strength when it is needed most and no hope.
My point above was a little different. Without God, the world is deterministic. You are born with this physical nature, that collection of genetic characteristics, and the world acts on you. If your being is defined by the physical who and what is responsible — how can there be any responsibility in a moral sense — you are an automaton reacting to stimulus. There is no you beyond the chemicals released in your body and in your brain in reaction to that stimulus. It’s like putting cars in jail, or computers in time out. They are just things. Mechanical. With spiritual discernment, a soul, God, the supernatural you are not locked into a material, physical, deterministic life. The free will that we all experience as a given fact in our lives is real and not artificially constrained by a material construct or philosophy. The political left in its materialism tends to say essentially regarding many criminals, “be lenient, he is not responsible because of a poor upbringing.” In a material worldview they are right.
I guess now you can be cited as attacking Huckabee as well.
I mean you did say that he was 'unpatriotic and fascist', all that has to be done is drop the context of the statement.
Just like the anti-Paul zealots love doing.
You only joined today. I’ll give you a pass for not being aware of the obvious. Allegra e said she was leaving on vacation so here’s some advice. Use your search button and search for all kinds of threads on this forum that show we are winning the WOT.
You’ll find those threads linked to relevant articles that will provide the documentation you need.
One thing about FR; we respect those who perform self help.
Not a conspiracy, just a bunch of zealous supporters trying to project a false image.
After all, the mere fact that you are there and winning doesn't qualify you to disagree with Dr. Demento and the cult of paleodipwits.
Sarcasm off.
Thus, the Government exists for man, not man for the Government.
To bad you Paulistas can’t offer one(a good argument that is!)
Really, what was your name before you got zotted last time?
The David Duke smear!
Things are really getting desperate for the anti-Ron Paul zealots.
So stating that invading Iraq will lead to regional instability and foster anti-American resentment, which is why we didn't do it for years (including the years after the first WTC attack and the attacks on the USS Cole and Khobar Towers, so there goes the "9/11 changed everything" excuse) as well as the exact reason Bush 41 didn't go into Baghdad, is now "treasonous antiwar antiAmerican paleotrash"?
I'm beginning to think that most of them AGREE with what he says.
If you mean that the nation needs to return to being governed by the Constitution, yes we do agree.
And your candidate is saying what?
WTF??????
Would you like to re-phrase that?
Seriously.
It would appear that you think supporting pro-life candidates is "diabolical".
So you don’t consider CAFE standards, for example, to be a fascist measure, in that they are “a radical extension of government control over the economy without wholesale expropriation of the means of production?”
How about recent gasoline price controls in Hawaii and elsewhere?
How about the minimum wage laws? Benito Mussolini called for a minimum wage and a reduction of the work week in 1918.
How about the National Labor Relations Board which lets the Federal government meddle directly in disputes between employees and employers?
How about the Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid systems, intervening in retirement savings and pensions, and in health insurance? “... Mussolinis Italian
government made membership of a sickness fund compulsory in 1943, and centralized and imposed state control on these funds.”
Wake up and smell the fascism, friend.
FDR was essentially a fascist, and we’re still laboring under the chains he forged. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz22.html
Saying that traitors often fool people by appearing to be one of them is not a bad thing - it is wise. The bible itself talks about wolves in sheep's clothing. I'm going to post a really good quote. Please read it, and keep in mind that a traitor or enemy is often crafty and instead of appearing as an outsider, will potray himself in a way that will get people's trust... to fool people.
"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."
- Cicero
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