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1 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:42 PM PST by Mariner
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Present it to Duncan Hunter. He needs all the media attention he can get to help him get elected.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 9:02:16 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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You’re assuming democrats care about facts. They don’t. It is all about grovelling to their anti-american base and making the traditions of this country bad.
4 posted on 12/11/2007 9:03:28 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Mariner; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

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6 posted on 12/11/2007 9:05:21 PM PST by freema
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May I suggest that there is a qualitative difference between being subjected to waterboarding under controlled conditions where you are assured of the professional conduct of your fellow soldiers, and being subjected to waterboarding as a captured enemy combatant at the mercy of angry, determined interrogators?

There are some who wouldn't even object to waterboarding if they knew for certain it was torture. However, stunts like this post will certainly help those who need a sense of ambiguity before they feel comfortable supporting ethically dubious techniques.

8 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:42 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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Ask kellynla, he seems to be very familiar with all things Marine.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:56 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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For the most part, isn’t someone in each SERE class given that experience? My dh went through SERE. While he was not afforded this particular opportunity, he had the pleasure of experiencing some of the others.


10 posted on 12/11/2007 9:07:47 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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I wasn’t waterboarded when I was in the Marines but I did get a blanket party. So sign me up as having had a blanket party.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 9:10:11 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving Walter Payton)
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Besides Congress I think you could get somebody like Oliver North or Shaun Hannity to do an hour special on FOX showing that you and others who went through these evasion schools are today healthy and well-adjusted despite being “tortured.”
16 posted on 12/11/2007 9:13:03 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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A bump and eternal gratitude for your service and the service of all our troops, past - present and future.

Now, give ‘em hell!


22 posted on 12/11/2007 9:25:37 PM PST by Velveeta (Duncan Hunter, 08' !!! The real conservative.)
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Oh...people have heard that’s part of our troops training...its the donkeys trying to make something out of nothing...


26 posted on 12/11/2007 9:29:47 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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RE: I am an honorably discharged US Military member that was subject to the Waterboard in SERE school circa 1979-1980.

I salute your service to our nation and all the others who served in American's armed forces. And I applaud you effort to get the truth out about waterboarding.

Of course, it would do a lot better if them Liberal Democrats and their MSM cohorts ever bothered with truth, facts or ethics.

However, I support you in this effort and offer my help in any way I can.

I was never in the service. Long story I will not bore you with.

The extent of my expertise here is my serving as temporary recorder on the Southwest Kerens Water Board the fall that Poop Early went off to take the cure.

31 posted on 12/11/2007 9:32:31 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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Unfortunately, I can’t. However, while trying to waterski the first time, the skipper’s motor wasn’t running properly and I went 50 feet or so just under the water at about 5 mi. per hour. Does that qualify?


39 posted on 12/11/2007 9:37:30 PM PST by budwiesest (My GPS can't find stupid. Yet, it's all around me.)
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You wanna see torture? Come back 5 minutes late from a 24 hour pass for doing well on a PT Test in Basic and have Drill Sargent Thornton waiting for you. I can still smell the hurl covering my chest as I ran, and did pushups, and ran, and did squat thrusts, and ran, and did situps and ran, and ran, and ran........ Well, you get the picture.


40 posted on 12/11/2007 9:38:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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I'm not afraid of no stinking water-boarding,
I'm made of board. Bring it on

41 posted on 12/11/2007 9:39:33 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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SERE, '68, North Island and Warner Springs.

Out of the 75 in my class about 5 were waterboarded while in the POW phase. They weren't volunteers but random choices. It was a lesson to all of us.

I wasn't one but saw that the victims didn't resist long.
48 posted on 12/11/2007 9:45:03 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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49 posted on 12/11/2007 9:45:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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The gentleman who delivered my new television this evening also remarked that he had been waterboarded as part of survival training while in the Navy. (Fox news was on in the background, and they were discussing this, hence his comment.) He said it scared the crap out of him, but didn’t harm him in any other way...


51 posted on 12/11/2007 9:49:29 PM PST by AirForceBrat23
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Those of you who know me now, know what a friendly lovable fuzzball I am, but it might surprise some of you to know that between the ages of 17-19 (I had parental approval to enlist) as a very junior enlisted sailor aboard the USS Constellation, I was a despicable doper with a bit of an attitude problem.

One week, after a particularly nasty blow-up with my chief, I found myself in pre-trial in the ship’s brig for three days.

I went in with a chip on my shoulder, a smirk on my face and a determination not to give an inch. That lasted about three hours.

The Marines did NOT torture me in any sense that I would call torture, but believe you me, when I got out of that place I shaped up pretty damn quick.


63 posted on 12/11/2007 10:19:34 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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Just a hypothetical for you, prompted by recent posts. You're in a war zone. Your buddy is captured and waterboarded for intelligence information. Was he tortured?

Just to be clear, I know our enemy doesn't care about torture or not. But they're a crappy little terrorist group. We'll beat them. One of my concerns is the precedent we're setting for the future. If we ever get involved in a conventional war with a party minimally respectful of the Geneva Convention, they could waterboard our boys in uniform and throw all these "waterboarding is not torture" arguments back in our face.

77 posted on 12/11/2007 11:00:02 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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Next thing we know, evil military types will be calling prisoners’ mothers UGLY.

*Note* - I call them ‘prisoners’ not detainees. Detainees is such a PC word, isn’t it?


78 posted on 12/11/2007 11:07:41 PM PST by Humidston (I'm offended)
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