Posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:40 PM PST by Mariner
I am an honorably discharged US Military member that was subject to the Waterboard in SERE school circa 1979-1980.
I'm certain there are other ex military member that would like to join me in testifying to both the US Congress and the US Media that this procedure, while effective, is not torture.
If the majority of the American people knew that this was an act that US service members are subject to, it would disappear off the front pages of every newspaper and news show in the country.
Sign up. State you were waterboarded. Jim Robinson can collect our logins and provide our info to a brave Congress Person or member of the administration.
Let's send the dims and the media running and looking stupid while doing so.
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Definitely not torture but totally effective.....
sign me up!
You know John McCain's opinion of waterboarding?
Then I am astonished that you would think such a—such a torture[waterboarding] would be inflicted on anyone in our—who we are held captive and anyone could believe that that’s not torture. It’s in violation of the Geneva Conventions. It’s in violation of existing law. And, Governor, let me tell you, if we’re going to get the high ground in this world and we’re going to be America that we have cherished and loved for more than 200 years, we’re not going to torture people. We’re not going to do what Pol Pot did. We’re not going to do what’s being done to Burmese monks as we speak. And I suggest that you talk to retired military officers and active-duty military officers like Colin Powell and others, and how in the world anybody could think that that kind of thing could be inflicted by Americans on people who are held in our custody is absolutely beyond me.
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In 78 I got the two stools stacked leg to leg with my arms tied behind me. Hell of a fall when kicked out. Saw the W.B. though. None it was a picnic
I don't hold him in particularly high regard. But anybody who took a bayonet in the crotch for his country has some relevant authority on the torture issue.
Circa 1979-1980? Now come on, can't remember the year, the month?
I say BS.
No, terrorism pisses me off.
I don’t want my children to have to be dealing with 20 more 9/11s because of political correctness or people like you worried about the ethical dubiousness of waterboarding.
9/11 was a declaration of war against us by a group of fanatics who utilize suicide bombers and target civilians.
They don’t follow the Geneva Conventions when they lop off heads. They don’t follow the Geneva Conventions when they use women, children and other people they think are worthless, such as those with Down syndrome to blow innocent people out of buildings, off of planes and trains and children out of schools and buses.
Therefore, I don’t give a flying flip that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah had water poured on their face for 10 seconds or 30 seconds. The proof is in the pudding. Khalid and Zubaydah squealed, DOZENS of terrorist attacks were prevented, lives were saved.
They cut the heads off of our soldiers and booby-trapped their bodies, for crying out loud!
I would prefer they had waterboarded our soldiers.
Al Qaida merely chops off our soldiers’ heads, burns our soldiers bodies, hangs them from a bridge, booby-traps their dead bodies with bombs and sends suicide bombers over to our soldiers when their passing out candy and toys to children.
Yeah, let’s keep things above board, Mr. Murtha.
Let’s fight with spitballs and say ‘pretty please’ when we interrogate. Feh.
I know there are nasty whispering campaigns against every candidate, so I don't know whether you've picked up something true or something inspired by a manipulator. But I think we're going off on a tangent.
Confession or collaboration under torture or abuse doubtless produces dishonor in the man whose will has been bent or broken. Maybe McCain speaks out of dishonor?
But is there anything honorable in a torturer's profession? Is a country that tortures honorable?
I was at SERE in November of 1971, didn’t get on the waterboard but saw it done. By today’s standards they would have to close down the entire compound phase of SERE because of the multiple forms of “torture”.
Whatever happened to the old liberal rant “if only one life is saved it would be worth it”?
democrats should be forced to look at these pictures each time they vote on any bills about the middle east
At least you're laughing about it. My ex-wife used to get very ticked off at me when I told her that I couldn't talk about what I was doing.
My new wife (and thank God for bringing us together) simply says, "I don't want to know."
The libs weren't whining about it then.
EXACTLY! These folks who object to water boarding and other such interrogation techniques have no idea who we are fighting. Most of these "enemy combatants" would repeatedly rape your wife (and your daughter), then slit her throat ear to ear, all while making you watch. There is only one thing these folks understand and that is pain. I say give it to 'em.
The USA should be sending one clear message to Islam "Don't mess with us!"
It’s a tough call- and if you review the record you’ll note that we don’t employ waterboarding on a daily basis with our enemies. From what I’ve read to date- it seems to have been effective and we received incredibly valuable intel that prevented attacks. In other words- we don’t do it for sport.
My question to you- what would you suggest? Would you, for example, sacrifice your family, your friends to a terrorist attack if intel could have been obtained via waterboarding that would have prevented their deaths?
It seems an easy thing to proclaim nobility and honor matter most- it’s an argument we hear from liberals often. Yet I don’t recall another solution being proposed- what is yours?
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