Posted on 12/11/2007 12:01:33 PM PST by ironwill
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - The man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound, police said Tuesday.
Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday but died after firing a single shot at himself, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.
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I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. But when it does for real, we can be sure the opposition will be more than an untrained, lone gunman with little planning. A well trained group of trained jihadists bent on slaughtering infidels will be tough to stop even by a dedicated few CCWs armed with Glocks.
As you say, everybody needs to review their security plans. This is a post 9/11 world and the paradigms have changed - even though most people's expectations haven't. When the assaults begin in earnest - and they surely will someday - we won't just be facing some immature, pimply loner who loves bad music and nasty poetry and spends most of his wasted life whining about himself on the Internet. We'll be facing an armed and disciplined foe and one bent on murder and mayhem on an unimagined scale.
Scary, but that's the world sloshing around out there today just waiting for the signal and/or opportunity. You know, the world most people refuse to see because shopping is so much more fun and besides, it would be unacceptable to profile or hurt somebody's feelings by discriminating against them?
The Larry Bourbonais (<=sp) interview on the Gregg Knapp show. Larry was the unarmed half of the heroic team.
Bourbonnais
5/31/07:
it’s so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and “work with you through your pain” when there’s money involved……heck I can go down to the bar, hand out money and drinks and have people who “love” me and want to listen to me…………I can go to a “prophetic retreat/workshop” for $150 or more and get “personal prophetic ministry”……ask all these people who “sincerely love and care” to counsel and work with and be there for someone in pain for FREE…….aint gonna happen…..money or the lack thereof certainly changes things….And then, New Life...
Me….I want something REAL, not more games. My ex-church will say they all love me, everyone loves me don’t they? I had JW’s knock on my door and say that Jehovah loves me and that they’d love to have me meet with them…..but do they have any REAL answers? “Love” in our commercial and christian America is just a word to get people to convert, to get people’s money…..
3/16/07:
...when I was a teenager my mother would do a pat down to check for music, DVDs and video games whenever I came out of an electronics store like Best Buy or Circuit City. I’d still obtain things anyways, it was like getting drugs from a drug dealer, EVERYTHING had to be done in secret. lolbut to me, the most disturbing is this...
I remember getting thrown around the room and hit while getting interrogated about whether or not I had video games and DVDs. Then there were the constant interrogations by the church pastors. @#%$ hypocrites.
I remember having to listen to everything in secret, at very low volume levels or with headphones, whether it was video games, TV, DVDs, or music/radio. Every day was like Mission Impossible, as even ONE mis-step and it could be all over.
My mother would search EVERYWHERE on a regular basis. You’d have thought I was hiding methamphetamines(which her favorite pastor, Ted Haggard was found guilty of) or something serious….but it was all over DVDs, Cds, and video games, the issue of drug abuse or the like never came up. And when she confiscated something, she’d almost never tell me. She’d always pretend like she had no idea what I was talking about, until I had her cornered with evidence….so much for “Liars go to the lake of fire.”
9/7/07:
“Prophetic Child”
Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was “foretold.” They say that while I was still in my mother’s womb a “prophet” told my mother that I was to be, quote, “a prophet to the nations” and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner.
They said that the following verses applied to me:
Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28
Basically, they believe that I am their “chosen one” for “the end times” and according to the Ezekial passage they believe that I am going to go back to their church/system.
The problem right now is the fact that it appears that they are always going to pursue me throughout life(and they have said so), as I am supposedly the “chosen one.” As far as I can tell they did not treat the other youth the same way.
Well, I don’t want to be their “chosen one” at all. I just wish I could find some way to wake up from this nightmare.
11/4/07:
No matter how hardcore cult-like these end of days dominionist pentecostal charismatic church members want to be…I’ll never give in. They can make fun of me, harass me, and even break my back…but they won’t break me.
I’m working on a way out here, time is going to wash away all pain.
My point has always been, big whoop. So what, she got fired.
I was just posting the pertinent text from the hit piece in the Pioneer Press for those who didn’t want to be bothered with signing up to read it.
Two words that should fill you with horror: grocery store.
Limited ingress, limited egress...clear, easy to control lanes of fire. By my estimation, which counts for as much as you pay for it, a team of less than ten armed jihadis with a van could scour a grocery store of anything breathing and *escape* in WAY less than five minutes.
“Actually, my experience is that, when it comes to brass tacks, women are far more ruthless than men and much less likely to lose sleep over it.”
One only need search for the roots of the word “ruthless” to understand how right you are.
1/14/07:
the “Council for National Policy” and evangelicals
I remember growing up in pentecostalism/evangelicalism, we were always told to support the republicans/conservatives and to “hate those evil satanic democrats.” Jesus never said to put our trust in any political leader, yet we see so many christians trying sooooo hard to believe that “America was founded on fundamentalist evangelical christianity and we must turn america back towards God!!!(the evangelica/fundamentalist/pentecostal version nontheless)”
This ties right into what is known as Dominionism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cou…nal_Policy
www.sourcewatch.org/index…nal_Policy
www.au.org/site/News2?pag…9&abbr=cs_
I find this “Council for National Policy” interesting.
One of the things I want to know is:
Why do these evangelical/pentecostal leaders condemn “the occult”/”freemasonry” yet they themselves are part of or at least completely ignore a group that itself has secret membership, secret meetings, and is invitation only.
Of course, this secretive christian/evangelical “CNP” group raises many questions…….
pentecostal insanity regarding media/entertainmentI think that these comments would provide lots of fodder.
Growing up, TV, Internet/computers, video games, music, Christian contemporary music, movies and books were all extremely restricted. All those things carried this……mystique about them. They were like these mythical things imbued with incredible power straight from Satan, all run by Satanist covens operating out of Hollywood, Washington D.C.(when Bill Clinton was in office), and abortion clinics. Except there was one problem…………the senior pastor and his close church friends and their families all watched TV/Cable TV, had the internet, listened to at least some non-Christian music and all listened to CCM, video games(including those satanic “T” and “M” rated ones), and all, especially the senior pastor, had “R” Movie collections. Me and some of the other non-elite church youth and members asked about these contradictions but never received any answers.
I still remember how we were told that “The Simpsons” was a very evil and Satanic TV show with the intent of causing people to leave Christianity (as if that’s a bad thing). As a teenager my mother had the TV tuner removed by a TV technician so that it could only receive from the AV inputs, meaning, could only watch VHS and DVDs. I remember me and the other church youth would go over to the Senior pastor’s house and ask to watch the very same movie that his 10 year old son or daughter had told us they’d watch and be told “sorry guys, that’s rated ‘R,’ it’s not Godly.” Of course we’d ask “but then why do you have it?” Sometimes he’d lie, other times he’d just say “sorry…you can’t.”
I remember wanting to listen to Christian music and be told by my parents and other church members that we couldnÂ’t, EVEN THOUGH the senior pastorÂ’s and other church leaderÂ’s families did.
Internet was treated as one of Satan’s special weapons in the “end-times” to promote sex(which everyone knows is of the Devil…..) Everyone was terrified that one of us teenagers *might* get a glimpse of a naked body and become demon possessed. This always confused me for how can viewing what God designed be satanic at the same time? And if we “lust” are the demons able to read our thoughts and somehow *know* to seize upon us? Isn’t it possible to see nudity without *lusting* somehow? Of course, the senior pastor’s two oldest children, one male the other female, got someone pregnant and got pregnant; the other two younger ones were proven to be sexually active. Other church leader’s children were sexually active.
Music was VERY restricted of course. We got all kinds of lectures on how Satanist covens had some kind of backmasking technology and were partnered with all the artists, including Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Britney Spears, Madonna and N’sync. Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith were said be in on it too…even though the “elite” members of the church listened to them. Growing up, I was restricted to listening to….sermons on the radio or through tapes.
Books were VERY restricted. We were only allowed to read Christian books and forced to memorize the bible. When Harry Potter came out we were all given lectures about how “we’re living in the end times and Satan is trying to capture the children and make them all witches!!!!” I knew of a few people who got harassed for letting their kids read Harry Potter.
I remember with all these different forms of media it was like I was always in Mission Impossible. We were either at church or being brainwashed in Christian home school. When we did have free time…we were either forced to pray, read the bible, do chores, or…..well nothing since we were not allowed to do anything. We were all being trained to “become the future of Christianity.” “The chosen generation that is going to turn America back to God in these last days.”
“The chosen generation who are going to become great prophets and pastors and evangelists and missionaries in the world.”
“The chosen generation who are going to take over the world and do away with everyone else’s false satanic religion and take dominion until Jesus returns!!!!!!”
Well, I got all fed up with the insanity, hypocrisy, conflicting doctrines, the and lack of absolute answers in regards to “salvation,” heaven and hell and other theological issues, the child abuse, brainwashing, lies, gossip, scandals, threats and fear mongering. I got tired of always hearing “oooohh, you’re saved by grace, not by works!” “Everybody loves you! Jesus loves you!” only to hear about how I was going to hell for watching “The simpsons” or could lose my salvation and could never be certain if 30 years from now I might lose it due to some odd sin and die in an accident and end up in this eternal hell preached to us day and night.
Me, I found a new Law to live by and I realizedÂ…Â…I donÂ’t have to be abused nor submit to these liars and their lies nor do I have to be afraid of this make-believe hell and false theory of salvation which no fundamentalist Christian could ever give solid answers on.
Me and many others are waking up.
We will rise up above and against these abuses against humanity.
Men will no longer be ruled by fear and superstition, oppressed by bigotry and tyranny.
She fired 10-12 shots.
I think that she may have missed 2 times.
He had on protective armor. (7 shots in the armor)
IIRC, 3 shots got him in unprotected parts of the body.
Ping...sorry about the formatting
Which part... hrygdh or lēas?!?
I don't know what Bourbonnais said on the Knapp show, but in an interview here it doesn't sound like he was actually in a position to see Murray die. "He had run diagonally so when I came out he was to my left in the hallway and I couldn't see him.... She had no cover. He fired - I heard him fire three, I heard her fire three, ... and she just walked forward ... firing the whole time, and so I paralleled her not to get in her way and went to the wall and worked around to the corner, and when we both entered where he was he had slumped backwards, slid down on the floor and expired."
The coroner's office has released a statement. "The death of Matthew Murray has been ruled a suicide," the El Paso County Coroner's Office said in a statement.
"It should be noted that he was struck multiple times by the security officer, which put him down. He then fired a single round killing himself," the statement said.
“I have a feeling the DBM can’t tell the difference between an assault rifle, shotgun or pistol if they had all three displayed on a table in front of them.”
Since they can’t tell the difference between a lie and the truth, I would guess you are 100% correct.
I see a "pedophile priest" scandal for the catholic bashers on the horizon.
It doesn't make much sense to go into a church and start shooting at innocents either (unless you're a Jihadist of course).
“The radio news has been saying AK47 (squawk), AK47 (squawk), like parrots and now he has a shotgun? Maybe I’m getting my shootings mixed up.”
It’s the only gun designation they know.
They think Colts were only used in cowboy days, Smith & Wesson makes COOKING OIL, and all longy type guns are AK47 Automatic Assault Weapons.
I think the new heart and spirit the ma put in there was her own.
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