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To: ironwill
I haven't seen any stories yet about the reasons behind his actions. From the postings he made online, it's pretty clear that he had direct reasons for going to YWAM (widely considered a cult that sucks up money from those attending)...

5/31/07:

it’s so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and “work with you through your pain” when there’s money involved……heck I can go down to the bar, hand out money and drinks and have people who “love” me and want to listen to me…………I can go to a “prophetic retreat/workshop” for $150 or more and get “personal prophetic ministry”……ask all these people who “sincerely love and care” to counsel and work with and be there for someone in pain for FREE…….aint gonna happen…..money or the lack thereof certainly changes things….

Me….I want something REAL, not more games. My ex-church will say they all love me, everyone loves me don’t they? I had JW’s knock on my door and say that Jehovah loves me and that they’d love to have me meet with them…..but do they have any REAL answers? “Love” in our commercial and christian America is just a word to get people to convert, to get people’s money…..
And then, New Life...

3/16/07:

...when I was a teenager my mother would do a pat down to check for music, DVDs and video games whenever I came out of an electronics store like Best Buy or Circuit City. I’d still obtain things anyways, it was like getting drugs from a drug dealer, EVERYTHING had to be done in secret. lol

I remember getting thrown around the room and hit while getting interrogated about whether or not I had video games and DVDs. Then there were the constant interrogations by the church pastors. @#%$ hypocrites.

I remember having to listen to everything in secret, at very low volume levels or with headphones, whether it was video games, TV, DVDs, or music/radio. Every day was like Mission Impossible, as even ONE mis-step and it could be all over.

My mother would search EVERYWHERE on a regular basis. You’d have thought I was hiding methamphetamines(which her favorite pastor, Ted Haggard was found guilty of) or something serious….but it was all over DVDs, Cds, and video games, the issue of drug abuse or the like never came up. And when she confiscated something, she’d almost never tell me. She’d always pretend like she had no idea what I was talking about, until I had her cornered with evidence….so much for “Liars go to the lake of fire.”
but to me, the most disturbing is this...

9/7/07:

“Prophetic Child”

Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was “foretold.” They say that while I was still in my mother’s womb a “prophet” told my mother that I was to be, quote, “a prophet to the nations” and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner.

They said that the following verses applied to me:

Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28

Basically, they believe that I am their “chosen one” for “the end times” and according to the Ezekial passage they believe that I am going to go back to their church/system.

The problem right now is the fact that it appears that they are always going to pursue me throughout life(and they have said so), as I am supposedly the “chosen one.” As far as I can tell they did not treat the other youth the same way.

Well, I don’t want to be their “chosen one” at all. I just wish I could find some way to wake up from this nightmare.

Bizarre. Whether reality or not, we can only speculate.

11/4/07:

No matter how hardcore cult-like these end of days dominionist pentecostal charismatic church members want to be…I’ll never give in. They can make fun of me, harass me, and even break my back…but they won’t break me.

I’m working on a way out here, time is going to wash away all pain.


185 posted on 12/11/2007 4:02:25 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
" Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was “foretold.” They say that while I was still in my mother’s womb a “prophet” told my mother that I was to be, quote, “a prophet to the nations” and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner. They said that the following verses applied to me: Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28 "

I think the new heart and spirit the ma put in there was her own.

199 posted on 12/11/2007 4:30:05 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Gondring
My mother would search EVERYWHERE on a regular basis. You’d have thought I was hiding methamphetamines(which her favorite pastor, Ted Haggard was found guilty of) or something serious….but it was all over DVDs, Cds, and video games, the issue of drug abuse or the like never came up. And when she confiscated something, she’d almost never tell me. She’d always pretend like she had no idea what I was talking about, until I had her cornered with evidence….so much for “Liars go to the lake of fire.”

This is interesting as it goes along with my theory. I felt that when they wouldn'tlet him spend the night at YWAM he thought they were all phonies..then he goes to the church of the big phony of last year and took some of them out. A sick way to think, but I think it was what was going through his mind perhaps.
When men like Ted Haggart fall they take a lot of folks with them. It’s not only their soul going to eternal hell but the others who fall away from faith because of them.
IMHO

203 posted on 12/11/2007 4:50:00 PM PST by IceColdConservative1
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