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CO gunman killed self
Breitbart.com ^ | Dec 11 02:47 PM US/Eastern | By JUDITH KOHLER

Posted on 12/11/2007 12:01:33 PM PST by ironwill

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - The man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound, police said Tuesday.

Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday but died after firing a single shot at himself, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: assam; banglist; donutwatch; goldencompass; gungrabbers; mediabias; murray; newlifechurch; zogbyism
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You understand that...but obviously this perp didn’t know much about real confrontation.


141 posted on 12/11/2007 1:25:57 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: xp38

Exactly. It was God’s plan to have Jeanne in New Life Church on Dec. 9, 2007 to save innocent lives.

Minneapolis’ loss is Colorado’s gain.


142 posted on 12/11/2007 1:27:06 PM PST by Palladin (Jeanne Assam for President!)
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To: montag813

Agree...I mean look at the armed paid men security guards...weapons drawn...and just stood there. She knew exactly how to handle that grave situation.


143 posted on 12/11/2007 1:29:27 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Froufrou; basil; UCANSEE2

“Coming at this purely from a woman’s perspective here . .”

LOL! I admit I was being pretty defensive. I didn’t mean to imply that men would be less sensitive. I’m for the Second Amendment, but it was in the back of my mind that my statement of her having peace might trigger some to criticize me as a gun-softie.


144 posted on 12/11/2007 1:29:45 PM PST by rightazrain ("Once we have a war there is only one thing to do. It must be won. " -- Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

{The very LAST thing the police in Colorado want is for folks to start carrying to protect themselves and others. The important to them is that THEY down play and discredit the hero.}

Especially, from the testimony on the Today Show this morning, she kept calm because she prayed as she advanced, firing to engage the shooter, and “with the power of the Holy Spirit.”

Now thats a two fer, God and Guns. Does anybody know if the boy was Gay?


145 posted on 12/11/2007 1:31:58 PM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: rightazrain

This is why, despite the advice of many FReeper FRiends, I still have not got my CCL.

You have to be able to say to yourself that you are willing to do what this woman did and that you can live with yourself for doing so, if you have to do so.

That’s what my SIL told me, anyway. And what my friend said when I asked why she never got her license after passing her test as first in her class.


146 posted on 12/11/2007 1:34:18 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: spunkets
The cops haven't been giving out info at all, until it appears they are certain. I think much of the "facts" such as rifle, helmet, body armor... are just rumor. It makes no sense that anyone would attempt to reload mags during such an assault, or carry such a qty of ammo during an assault.

Yep. Looks the media did some very bad initial reporting. Add it to Hurricane Katrina, the Beltway snipers, the poor drunk who got labeled the hostage-taker at Clinton headquarters, and everything else on the pile.

147 posted on 12/11/2007 1:35:35 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: SMARTY
naw. if she was a cop, she learned "shoot to stop." that means center mass. no way she was aiming for an arm or leg. a center mass hit will put someone down but not necessarily kill instantly.

your heart can be blown to bits but you can still move around and be conscious. a good head shot will kill instantly, but it is very hard to hit the head of a moving target, far away while under duress. that is why you aim for center mass. it is the biggest part of the body and it will stop the shooter in most cases.

148 posted on 12/11/2007 1:37:57 PM PST by thefactor
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To: SpringheelJack

Looks = Looks like


149 posted on 12/11/2007 1:38:57 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I’m sure if I look hard enough, I could find the obligatory web posting by some idiot asking why she didn’t just ‘shoot the gun out of his hands’.

There were posts both asking why she had to shoot him six times, and asking why she didn't just shoot him in the legs on a Colorado newspaper site that mvpel posted on.

150 posted on 12/11/2007 1:46:25 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: UCANSEE2
IIRC, she lied to a suspect, or called him some names, and later denied it.

After responding to an incident on a public bus, she denied having used swear-words to the bus-driver. Her words were caught on tape.

I know lots of people who use profanity and 10 seconds later have no idea that they did so.

151 posted on 12/11/2007 1:52:44 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

goes along with the fact that every moron reporter reports nearly every firearm as being an ‘assault weapon’.

facts and reality have no place in the MSM or any lib’s lexicon.


152 posted on 12/11/2007 1:53:13 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

The reports that I heard said one rifle, two pistols, and a shotgun. There were early reports of him using a rifle and some parishoners being confused by having been hit by shotgun pellets.


153 posted on 12/11/2007 1:56:20 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Thanks for providing the facts.

: )

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, family, and friends!!!


154 posted on 12/11/2007 2:02:19 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (-Not Afraid of the truth, and the whole truth - Are you?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

What is the point of posting those reports of Ms. Assam’s past sins? She saved dozens of lives! Do you want to tarnish anybody who does good?


155 posted on 12/11/2007 2:03:14 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: shield
I mean look at the armed paid men security guards

Weren't they volunteers too?

156 posted on 12/11/2007 2:05:47 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ironwill
CO gunman killed self

What difference would it make. Whether the woman who stopped him fired a fatal shot or presented him with his death as his only out is irrelevant.

157 posted on 12/11/2007 2:06:44 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: VOA; Froufrou; Lee'sGhost

Comment #155 is kinda relevant for you guys, too.


158 posted on 12/11/2007 2:08:09 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Royal Wulff
"a coup de grâce"

I've read no where in the past few days that he fired the last shot. What I've read was while he was down, he went for a (smoke) grenade, she told don't do it and she shot him again to stop the threat.

159 posted on 12/11/2007 2:12:25 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: ironwill
He was stopped by her and his suicide is irrelevant. Thank God she was there and willing to fight.

Pray for W and Our Troops

160 posted on 12/11/2007 2:16:05 PM PST by bray (Let's Bring Christ Back to Christmas)
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