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Schools ponder role as child nears death
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 9, 2007 | Jeff Long

Posted on 12/10/2007 10:11:05 AM PST by Sopater

As the school bus rolled to a stop outside her Lake County home, Beth Jones adjusted the bright yellow document protruding from the pouch of her daughter's wheelchair, making sure it was clearly visible.

In bold letters it warned, "Do Not Resuscitate."

The DNR order goes everywhere with Katie, including her 2nd-grade classroom at Laremont School in Gages Lake. The school is part of the Special Education District of Lake County, where an emotional two-year discussion ended this summer when officials agreed to honor such directives.

Now, district officials find themselves in the unusual position of having planned the steps its staff will, or won't, take to permit a child to die on school grounds. Although DNR orders are common in hospitals and nursing homes, such life-and-death drama rarely plays out in schools, where officials realize how sensitive and traumatic the situation could be for nurses, teachers and students.

Katie's brain was deprived of oxygen before birth. She can't walk, talk or do anything for herself. She is fed through a tube in her stomach and has an increased susceptibility to infection. Violent choking and coughing spasms have signaled a turn for the worse in her condition.

A Do Not Resuscitate order is a doctor's directive, issued with the consent of the family, that cardiopulmonary resuscitation will not be used if the patient suffers from heart or breathing problems. It can also prohibit using such devices as a defibrillator or an intubation tube. The new DNR policy puts Katie's school district at the forefront of a growing national debate about severely disabled and chronically ill children whose lives have been extended by medical advances -- and whose parents must face heart-wrenching decisions about the future.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: dnr; health
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To: Froufrou
Why not?

Because it is a silly waste of time to try to get people (especially kids) not to 'gawk' at someone as 'different' as this girl. The schools are supposed to be teaching reading, writing and arithmetic, not handling social engineering.

It’s certainly more useful socially than learning about tolerance for sexual preferences

Neither belong in the school curriculum.

221 posted on 12/10/2007 12:29:26 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Politicalmom; GovernmentShrinker
If someone wants their kid to be “allowed” to die, perhaps in great pain, then THEY should take the moral responsibility and be there for it themself, not pawn the responsibility on others.

DNR is basically a CYA to keep the shark lawyers at bay, as well as a guideline to health care workers to not take EXTRAORDINARY measures to resuscitate someone. What's wrong with NOT doing CPR on someone that is terminal? What did people do BEFORE CPR? Should EVERYONE have CPR done on them, or should a natural death be allowed? There's a difference between euthanasia (actively killing someone), and allowing someone to die naturally. Maybe this child doesn't belong in school. That way, when her time comes, she will be at home.

222 posted on 12/10/2007 12:29:29 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: rockabyebaby

“I’m with you, I don’t understand why this child is in school, first off she can’t walk, talk, do anything for herself and her brain was deprived of oxygen at birth, what can she possibly be learning, secondly, if my child was this close to death I would not let her/him out of my sight, I’d want to spend every waking moment with my child.”

i cannot speak for this particular case but i do know that my mother volunteered at the public school in my old home town to work with brain injured kids - some apparently as bad off as this. The teachers try to (and you will forgive me if i am not using correct terminology) have the kids “remember” motor functions doing numerous exercises and other such things. I visited her there once and it is so heartwrenching. Now again i dont know about this particular case however sending a brain injured child to school is not unheard of.


223 posted on 12/10/2007 12:31:26 PM PST by DM1
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To: bigfootbob

i cannot speak for this particular case but i do know that my mother volunteered at the public school in my old home town to work with brain injured kids - some apparently as bad off as this. The teachers try to (and you will forgive me if i am not using correct terminology) have the kids “remember” motor functions doing numerous exercises and other such things. I visited her there once and it is so heartwrenching. Now again i dont know about this particular case however sending a brain injured child to school is not unheard of.


224 posted on 12/10/2007 12:31:51 PM PST by DM1
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To: MEGoody

i cannot speak for this particular case but i do know that my mother volunteered at the public school in my old home town to work with brain injured kids - some apparently as bad off as this. The teachers try to (and you will forgive me if i am not using correct terminology) have the kids “remember” motor functions doing numerous exercises and other such things. I visited her there once and it is so heartwrenching. Now again i dont know about this particular case however sending a brain injured child to school is not unheard of.


225 posted on 12/10/2007 12:32:12 PM PST by DM1
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
I’m sorry you feel you’be been placed on the Earth to make decisions for others.

Again, the issue here is whether I and others are allowed to make our own moral decision when confronted with a dying child.

Your position leads inevitably to the conclusion that I can be punished if I help an ailing child whom her mother wanted me to leave for dead.

You are the one arguing for the state to compel the moral decisions of others, not I.

226 posted on 12/10/2007 12:35:16 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: MEGoody

I have found that my other two boys, as well as every other child that comes in contact with my oldest son, learn some of the best life lessons that one can learn. Don’t judge by outward appearance, realize that different isn’t bad, compassion for others is good, love one another as your Heavenly Father loves you.
Pam


227 posted on 12/10/2007 12:40:26 PM PST by georgiagirl_pam
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To: MEGoody

I guess you never heard of charm school!


228 posted on 12/10/2007 12:40:46 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

229 posted on 12/10/2007 12:44:27 PM PST by najida (Will you dance at my birthday party?)
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To: imjustme

Based on the article it would appear this girl is not long for this world and that being the case I don’t think they should be sending her to school alone.


230 posted on 12/10/2007 12:44:45 PM PST by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: SoftballMominVA

While I can appreciate that some here would not want the directive forced upon them, there are apparently those willing to work within the confines of the DNR.


231 posted on 12/10/2007 12:45:10 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: wideawake

You keep throwing out these insults to the parents...

Now it’s “Leave for dead”

How does that differ from “Allowing to die and pass into the arms of Jesus”?


232 posted on 12/10/2007 12:45:48 PM PST by najida (Will you dance at my birthday party?)
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To: Sopater

“Do Not Resuscitate.”

Gee thanks Mom.


233 posted on 12/10/2007 12:46:23 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: SoftballMominVA

I don’t think this about the right to a free educaton. If she is so bad off can she learn is the only question in my mind. If she can’t learn and can’t mentally participate with her classmates, I don’t think the school should merely provide baby-sitting service for the family.


234 posted on 12/10/2007 12:49:51 PM PST by scannell
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To: najida
How does that differ from “Allowing to die and pass into the arms of Jesus”?

Probably in that allowing someone to die is ending a situation where they are not breathing, but a machine is breathing for them.

235 posted on 12/10/2007 12:50:37 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

OK,
so what if someone has a disease (Huntingtons, ALS, MS) where the end result is not being able to breath without machine.

DNR means don’t put them on that machine in the first place... why prolonge suffering. CPR can break and crack ribs and then breathing HURTS Vents can be uncomfortable if not painful.... and with cracked ribs, excruiating.

There needs to be a point, not just ‘keep them alive so I feel good about myself....’ Because, well, you dont’ when you do that (Been there, done that).


236 posted on 12/10/2007 12:54:48 PM PST by najida (Will you dance at my birthday party?)
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To: scannell

“Learn” what?

As David Ring says, “What is normal? You think you’re normal?”

I homeschool my other two boys and I question what the kids in public school learn everyday.


237 posted on 12/10/2007 12:54:54 PM PST by georgiagirl_pam
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To: najida

My last post....
Pick t, u, r s, a, n, m...Apply where needed.
Same with .,! and :

Thank you.


238 posted on 12/10/2007 12:57:15 PM PST by najida (Will you dance at my birthday party?)
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To: scannell
I guess the question I would ask you back is "Learn what...?"

Severe and Profound children do indeed learn, they just don't learn what others learn at the same age. She is probably learning how to feed herself, gait training, signaling for self-care, perhaps keyboard or communication board training.

Is she 'learning' enough to one day be a productive member of society so that she will contribute financially? No, probably not. But when we put 'value' even relative value on a person and how much they can give back, we start down the path of eugenics, assisted suicide, euthanasia, and other ways to create the perfect person. As a nation, to our shame, we already kill millions of innocent babies every year. I'd just like to not go any further

239 posted on 12/10/2007 1:00:02 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

That is true, the “school” decided - but not all the staff and faculty. Surely there are some who would object, but majority rules.

This is a life-or-death question, and some people, no matter what the majority think, just don’t want to make that choice. Their morals say you must help no matter what, as life is more important.

The school order of honoring the DNR is still forcing some people against their own wills to honor what they find reprehensible.


240 posted on 12/10/2007 1:00:55 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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