Hmmm... Had problems accessing FR for a few minutes.
I did a quick read through on several threads at that forum. It appears that an alert member saw a post entitled, “You Christians Brought This Upon Yourselves”, in which the poster talked about killing people, and not caring if he himself was killed. The alert member contacted a mod on the site, who then contacted the FBI.
( http://p223.ezboard.com/Moderator-Please-contact-me-asap/fexpentecostalforumsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=2044.topic )
The posts referred to have been archived, but the FBI does have access to the posts, and according to the moderators of the site they have been in contact with the FBI personally and the FBI is investigating.
( http://p223.ezboard.com/NMC-Thread-was-Announcement/fexpentecostalforumsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=2046.topic & http://p223.ezboard.com/What-happened-for-those-who-dont-know-/fexpentecostalforumsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=2045.topic )
Some of his past posts that are (I guess WERE now — this changed since starting to write this post) still available point to a very seriously troubled young man who spoke of self-injury as well...
( It looks like Google is catching up now and deleting some of the cached content... I can no long find the links to the poetry he posted).
There is talk about what he alleges happened at the Youth Mission as well. One of the announcement threads contains a link to the allegations again YWMC.
Here is what is on his profile page copied from the message board site:
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You christians brought this on yourselves
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New World Order Rising
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Arrival of Satan’s Empire
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No more abuse to me, Christian or otherwise
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Where’s that archive website that carries all the old postings that don’t appear on google “Cached” links?
I did my DTS at YWAM Denver and Dale Lambert was my DTS school leader. I witnessed all kinds of insanity. Men would be making out with other men in the hallways, listening to all kinds of "metal music"(non-christian), smoke pot with each other while off base, there were rumors of sexual activity, both hetero and homosexual. Not that any of those things are bad...but....... Why was I told that I couldn't be a missionary because I wasn't "social enough"? I was told that I was "an introvert." Everyone else got to go on their outreaches except for a few who lied about smoking(cigarettes). The authoritarianism and hypocrisy is outrageous. The YWAM leaders would always believe that they had some special "connection to God" to be able to dictate and rule over student's lives. I'm not talking about simple rules like "no drugs allowed" but rather "we prayed and we feel like the spirit says that you're not loyal enough" or "we prayed and we feel like God says you're not to go on any outreaches." For just asking the question "why are we having a special group meeting tonight?" I was told "we prayed and we feel that you have a spirit of rebellion and if you ask or question anything any further we may have to send you home..." I was told that I could not watch an "R" movie at a movie theater even though several of the other students did...and yes, the leaders knew full well about it. The lack of knowledge and thinking is another story. Almost none of those people ever questioned the things they were taught. They always assume it's true and in matters of contradictory teachers and teachings, they'd just believe and follow whatever everyone's emotions were feeling. I remember "holy spirit week" where they tried to get everyone "baptised in the holy spirit." I went along with it just to stop people harassing me and asking me "are you still speaking in tongues? you better not stop doing that or you might lose the holy spirit....." I now know that the Divine Spirit is within all of us no matter what our religion is. Very few actually had answers in regards to salvation or "hearing the voice of God." A lot of the "prophesy" in those groups was/is nothing more than lower psychism. Sure, they can be accurate once in a while, but even then it's on a lower level. Just because someone is psychically/spiritually sensitive doesn't mean they know how to exercise it or have a trained mind. It also does not mean that they understand spiritual principles. It only means that they are sensitive to the lower astral levels. 1 person did get sent home for making an amateur sex video of homosexual nature....6 or 7 people were involved but only that one person got sent home. I know 3 or 4 others were sent home simply for smoking a legal nicotine cigarette. A few people got "talks"(slaps on the wrist) about their openly homosexual behaviour in front of everyone. They all went on outreach. For the record, when I was told by the YWAM staff 1 week before I was to leave on outreach that they did not want me on outreach, I asked them if I had done anything wrong. I ask them to clarify their reasons and they did make it clear to me that I had not commited any "sin" or done anything wrong...except for the one time I questioned, but that that was not the reason they were sending me home. They made it clear that they were sending me home because they "prayed to God" and felt that I was "not social enough" and was "an introvert." After having left I of course found out how true all those words about "we all love and care about you very much" and "we do care about you." really were....... I never heard back from them and when I got home....well.....back to the usual christian insanity at home and my parent's church. The fact is, in YWAM, and christianity, it's all about the Beautiful People. No, it's not just "one group of bad christians" but rather....almost every group of christians except for a few open minded non-evangelical churches. If you're an extrovert, and popular, then yes, there is plenty of love waiting for you in christianity. If you ask questions and want to understand things and/or desire a real and deep spirituality, or if you're just not popular...well.......you are considered as one of the horrible people and are either going to be abused or kicked out by "holy spirit love filled" christians. it's all about...... the Beautiful People........ If any YWAMer believes that I'm on the wrong path and that they have "The Spiritual Truth" and answers then feel free to send me a message, I'd love to discuss these things with you and discover "truth"(If I indeed have not found it yet).
Remember, this guy spent 5+ hours all alone on his computer all day and had voices in his head so YMMV on real substance.
HOPE THIS POST WORKS, IF NOT, I'LL ASK MODS TO REMOVE IT.
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nghtmrchld26 exPc Fan Posts: 108 (12/1/07 4:01 pm) Reply
Insane things we went through in christian homeschool
Me and this caller, "Devin on DMLive" were raised in homeschool and we both went through some insane stuff growing up in The Nightmare that outsiders just do not understand.
"Devin's" call begins at about 5:34 in the mp3 file from 2007-11-18 9 PM Central on dmlive.com/listenindex.html. It’s the second call in the 9 PM hour from 11-18-2007. Dawson Mcallister told Devin… “This is horrifying....”
Me, I remember the beatings and the fighting and yelling and insane rules and all the Bill Gothard bull**** and then trancing out...sh**......I'm still tranced out. I remember how it was like every day was Mission Impossible trying to keep the rules or not get caught and just....survive every single f***ing day. My mother's a f***ing psycho too, her and her whole church and christian family.
Of course people will say the usual fake answers "just stop being this way and be happy from now on..." "we don't have the time and the energy to give a s*** about you..." "you're not the only one who has it bad" "I had it a lot worse than you and I'm happy and doing great" "you're not popular you know...no one likes you very much"
I'll take Dawson's advice to Devin:
"it's almost like you've come back from a war and are having flashbacks" "ONE MORE, just ONE MORE bit of psychological abuse from your mother and you WALK, you are OUT THAT DOOR saying 'I won't live like this anymore EVER'."
I'm not getting any younger and it's time for the abuse to stop. Just because I'm not one of the "Beautiful People," just because other people don't understand or because I'm not "popular" does not mean I need to take any more s*** from anyone.
Listen to what Devin describes in his call...maybe it might help people who don't understand to.......feel what I feel
Cherish your life
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Re: My YWAM Horror Story
Not that any of those things are bad...but.......
Why was I told that I couldn’t be a missionary because I wasn’t “social enough”? I was told that I was “an introvert.”
Everyone else got to go on their outreaches except for a few who lied about smoking(cigarettes).
The authoritarianism and hypocrisy is outrageous. The YWAM leaders would always believe that they had some special “connection to God” to be able to dictate and rule over student’s lives. I’m not talking about simple rules like “no drugs allowed” but rather “we prayed and we feel like the spirit says that you’re not loyal enough” or “we prayed and we feel like God says you’re not to go on any outreaches.” For just asking the question “why are we having a special group meeting tonight?” I was told “we prayed and we feel that you have a spirit of rebellion and if you ask or question anything any further we may have to send you home...” I was told that I could not watch an “R” movie at a movie theater even though several of the other students did...and yes, the leaders knew full well about it.
The lack of knowledge and thinking is another story. Almost none of those people ever questioned the things they were taught. They always assume it’s true and in matters of contradictory teachers and teachings, they’d just believe and follow whatever everyone’s emotions were feeling. I remember “holy spirit week” where they tried to get everyone “baptised in the holy spirit.” I went along with it just to stop people harassing me and asking me “are you still speaking in tongues? you better not stop doing that or you might lose the holy spirit.....” I now know that the Divine Spirit is within all of us no matter what our religion is. Very few actually had answers in regards to salvation or “hearing the voice of God.” A lot of the “prophesy” in those groups was/is nothing more than lower psychism. Sure, they can be accurate once in a while, but even then it’s on a lower level. Just because someone is psychically/spiritually sensitive doesn’t mean they know how to exercise it or have a trained mind. It also does not mean that they understand spiritual principles. It only means that they are sensitive to the lower astral levels.
1 person did get sent home for making an amateur sex video of homosexual nature....6 or 7 people were involved but only that one person got sent home. I know 3 or 4 others were sent home simply for smoking a legal nicotine cigarette. A few people got “talks”(slaps on the wrist) about their openly homosexual behaviour in front of everyone. They all went on outreach. For the record, when I was told by the YWAM staff 1 week before I was to leave on outreach that they did not want me on outreach, I asked them if I had done anything wrong. I ask them to clarify their reasons and they did make it clear to me that I had not commited any “sin” or done anything wrong...except for the one time I questioned, but that that was not the reason they were sending me home. They made it clear that they were sending me home because they “prayed to God” and felt that I was “not social enough” and was “an introvert.” After having left I of course found out how true all those words about “we all love and care about you very much” and “we do care about you.” really were.......
I never heard back from them and when I got home....well.....back to the usual christian insanity at home and my parent’s church.
The fact is, in YWAM, and christianity, it’s all about the Beautiful People. No, it’s not just “one group of bad christians” but rather....almost every group of christians except for a few open minded non-evangelical churches. If you’re an extrovert, and popular, then yes, there is plenty of love waiting for you in christianity. If you ask questions and want to understand things and/or desire a real and deep spirituality, or if you’re just not popular...well.......you are considered as one of the horrible people and are either going to be abused or kicked out by “holy spirit love filled” christians. it’s all about......
the Beautiful People........
If any YWAMer believes that I’m on the wrong path and that they have “The Spiritual Truth” and answers then feel free to send me a message, I’d love to discuss these things with you and discover “truth”(If I indeed have not found it yet).
____________________________________________________
Mister Crowley......
Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 5/8/07 5:46 pm
Yeah, I tried to access such and got no where.
Do you have any summary about any more of the YWAM interactions?