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To: SubGeniusX

Funny how searches are only “unreasonable” when they snare the guilty. Refusing a search affords instantaneous probable cause for the warrant, provided the stop is legal. Airport searches are not unreasonable because of public safety issues; the same argument can be made for the detection of illegal weapons and contraband on our motorways. An innocent civilian has nothing to fear and his/her personal safety is enhanced by the process (which I don’t believe is as pandemic as the article implies). By the by, how is iPods for votes an apt comparison?


129 posted on 11/29/2007 9:19:32 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

“Refusing a search affords instantaneous probable cause for the warrant, provided the stop is legal.”

Exercising a Constitutional right is considered “probable cause”?


131 posted on 11/29/2007 9:21:42 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Dionysius
Funny how searches are only “unreasonable” when they snare the guilty.

Actually they are even more "unreasonable" when they are conducted on the "innocent". Secondly if the LEO's did thier job properly they would not have to worry about a case/arrest being thrown out due to "unreasonable search and seizure".

Refusing a search affords instantaneous probable cause for the warrant, provided the stop is legal.

False, refusing consent is not in and of it self probable cause. This has been determined by the courts.

An innocent civilian has nothing to fear and his/her personal safety is enhanced by the process

An "innocent" civilian has every right to fear this as it is an abuse of power under colour of authority ... our Founding Fathers clearly "feared" this enough to include it in the Bill of Rights... also "personal safety" is NOT "enhanced by the process", I would argue that it is actually undermined by police wasting time/resources for the search when they could be better used...

By the by, how is iPods for votes an apt comparison?

In your original post you stated...
"Problem is, they can keep you hanging around infinitum until they get a warrant. So, if you’ve got nothing to hide. why not?"
.... so what you advocated was the voluntary relinquishment of your Constitional Right for the sake of convienience... in the same way that those students were willing give up their right to vote for the "convienience" of getting a free Ipod... heck what you advocate may even be worse, at least they would get "somthing", all you do is "save time" ....

149 posted on 11/29/2007 10:05:07 AM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
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To: Dionysius
"Refusing a search affords instantaneous probable cause for the warrant"

This is quite likely the most ignorant and assinine thing I've read all day now....

It's also not true, not even close. Please stop repeating this mantra

184 posted on 11/29/2007 11:52:08 AM PST by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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