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"Stop, Don’t Consent to that Search!”
EdNews.org ^ | November 28, 2007 | Carrie Latabia Jones

Posted on 11/29/2007 6:38:28 AM PST by Sopater

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To: GladesGuru
That some kids managed to smuggle in drugs and booze is meaningless...

Silly me. I thought it was illegal. So the cops are supposed to just ignore some things? I thought we wanted cops to follow the law.

301 posted on 12/03/2007 7:16:15 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: GladesGuru; skyman
Could you perhaps be an attorney? Otherwise I must ask why you so readliy accept the $100,000 ‘fee’ as being acceptable?

I was talking about the search and the cops, not the punishment handed down by the court. Unless the cops are the ones who set the fees at $100,000, that is outside of the scope of what I was talking about.

Should cops wait to ask for consent to search until they've carefully considered what the consequences might ultimately cost the person? That consideration is the responsibility of the person addressing the police, and should be carefully weighed befor giving consent. I still contend that the cops were right on this issue.

There are a few problems with that article that tell me that this story was presneted with the intent to illicit just such a resonse as you and skyman have shown.

"Legal fees" doesn't mean fines or court costs, it typically means that some lawyer has charged them that much so far to defend them. I don't offer any apologies or support for the high cost of the legal system.
302 posted on 12/03/2007 7:18:36 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: NavVet

“If you knew how many cops were killed each year after being shot or stabbed after a simple traffic stop, maybe you would be a little more understanding if a cop asks you if he can take a look inside your vehicle.”

As a lawyer, you are exempt from most of the absues visited upon the rest of Americans. You are, when all is said and done, an “Officer of the Courts”, ‘member? The cop sure does.

The nice ossifer won’t plant drugs in your car, either.

All in all, there are reasons Americans fear cops.

Is this good - claerly not. Can a Republic long endure when its citizens do not respect the law and the court system? Probably not.

But, a case can be made that all too many want to move towards an even more socialized police state than we now have.


303 posted on 12/03/2007 7:40:51 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Still Thinking
There’s a big difference between accidental hazards (with which police deal every day and understand it to be an occupational hazard) and purposely setting something in place to cause harm to a dog/officer. Also, if you do so to throw off a dog’s scent, that can be classified as obstruction/interfering with an investigation, a separate crime altogether.

Read my earlier posts. I’m totally against unlawful searches, but sprinkling pepper in your car deliberately to jam a dog’s sense of smell, if it can be proven to have been deliberate, is a crime. If they find contraband in your car, don’t expect much leniency or anyone to believe it was accidental.

304 posted on 12/03/2007 7:42:40 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Still Thinking

I see you are dangling for Rb ver. 2.0’s approval; it’s heartwarming to witness these Libertarian love-fests. Ahem, rights afforded by our “Constitution” (I much prefer that to COTUS as it is far less pretentious and doesn’t sound like a sex act) are not, nor were they intended to be, absolute. It is the likes of the ACLU and the Libertarians that have extended them into the realm of the absurd. Vile pornography, flag burning, abortion, what one does in one’s apare time with a dildo are just a few of the few things that come to mind. A moral, law-respecting state driven by CHRISTIAN values is what the framers had in mind, like it or not. Using the document to shield criminals, perverts and seditionists is the ultimate perversion and it will ultimately take us down.


305 posted on 12/03/2007 2:03:39 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

I don’t give a rat’s hairy ass what RBV2 or anyone else thinks, per se. I was trying to be polite because he was part of the conversation you all were having.

I like COTUS for the convenience, but I think writing it out is more respectful, so that’s what I usually do, myself.

I agree that some things the Constitution has been deemed to allow or to protect are in fact incorrect (see Raich, Kelo, Eliot, etc.), but it seemed to me you were saying that since abortion is protected by the Constitution (I don’t believe it is, RvW or not), that we should look askance at stuff that really IS in there. You said “By the way, how can you you deem Constitutional rights so sacrosant when Abortion on Demand has been given such status?”


306 posted on 12/03/2007 4:51:31 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Dionysius
My brother-in-law police lieutenant might make you uncomfortable.

If I had a cop for a brother-in-law, I would never speak to my sister again.

It’s not pleasant watching a liberetarian quaking with fear and I recently had the carpet cleaned.

Libertarians don't quake with fear, they create fear among government addicts and control freaks.

Ron Paul is never going to be nominated, much less elected.

Ron Paul is elected. He may never be elected to any office other than Congressman from Texas, but elected he is, nonetheless.

307 posted on 12/03/2007 7:15:10 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Dionysius
A moral, law-respecting state driven by CHRISTIAN values is what the framers had in mind, like it or not.

A Christian will render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and recognize that what is not his, he has to claim to. This is about what is and isn't Caesar's, not who is an isn't a Christian.

308 posted on 12/03/2007 7:55:33 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Could I bother you for a slightly larger small smackerel of .308?” < /Pooh voice >


309 posted on 12/03/2007 9:11:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: elkfersupper

Not “quake with fear”? Seems to me that a cop-hater like yourself would wet his pants if he saw a police cruiser on his tail. And (duh) Paul is campaigning for president now, as we type, not for reelection to Congress. That, and being the current pivot man in the Libertarian Circle Jerk, must be consuming all his time.


310 posted on 12/04/2007 11:00:47 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Still Thinking; elkfersupper

Top Ten List of Actions Libertarians Can Take “For the Principle Of the Thing”:

10. Decorate large marijuana plant instead of Christmas Tree.

9. Use leaded gasoline for one’s next flag burning.

8. Let one’s 12 year old drive by himself in the carpool lane.

7. Place neon sign in front window: “Cop Free Zone”.

6. Rename pit bull “Ron Paul”.

5. Carry one’s gold-inlaid, commemorative Tech 9 to next Presidential debate.

4. Weld one’s trunk and glove box shut.

3. Remove seat belts from car.

2. Vote in the nude.

1. Join NAMBLA.


311 posted on 12/04/2007 12:19:52 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

One thing they won’t do is go crying to Congress for a federal law that makes it illegal for you to hate them.


312 posted on 12/04/2007 2:24:28 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t hate them, I just feel sorry for then as I do any other benighted and misguided group of malcontents. I reserve my hatred for the secular progressives whom the Libertarians unwittingly abet at every juncture (e.g. the witheringly horrible idea of running Ron Paul as a third-party candidate.)


313 posted on 12/04/2007 2:40:45 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius
I don’t hate them,

Maybe, maybe not. See post 206. You seem concerned that people aren't seeing things from the LEO's point of view. If I'm not mistaken, the police consider someone making seemingly contradictory statements reasonable cause for suspicion.

314 posted on 12/04/2007 2:49:34 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t see your point. Giving seemingly contradictory statements is a well-recognized cause for suspicion. Give me a “fer instance”. Oh yeah, I know some police officers are LEOs, but my brother-in-law is an AQUARIUS.


315 posted on 12/04/2007 3:31:35 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

You’ve made seemingly contradictory statement, so now I’m suspicious. You’ve also refused to respond to a direct question. I don’t see that as being any less suspicious than refusing to consent to a search, which also makes me suspicious. At this point I really don’t have much reason to believe anything you say, and probable cause to disbelieve it.


316 posted on 12/04/2007 4:33:42 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dionysius
Just to let you know what nice people we freedom advocates are, I'll be happy to defend your freedom, even if you aren't willing to do so yourself.

See you on the battlefield.

317 posted on 12/04/2007 7:19:17 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Dionysius

Nice segue.


318 posted on 12/04/2007 8:02:47 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

Thank you, it was nice transition wasn’t it? Kudos for being a nimble opponent with a sense of humor. God bless and Merry Christmas.


319 posted on 12/04/2007 8:56:08 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Sopater

bttt


320 posted on 12/05/2007 6:27:03 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (All my bullets are dipped in PIG fat. How about yours?)
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