“Yesterday, you complimented me for “debating this issue intelligently”...
At the time, you were.
” today, you tell me I’m like Hillary Clinton??”
Sometimes responses are meant to include more than just the one poster, especially if they are acting the same.
Also there are sooooo many posts, and so many questions, it is easy to mix one poster up with another. I apologize if that was the case.
“I directly answered about 6 things from one of your post yesterday.”
I’ll accept that and apologize for not having gone back and replied to all of them.
“Was it really necessary to arrest this guy?”
I believe that after adding up all of the non-cooperation, refusal to cooperate, refusal to sign, arguing with the officer, and the possibility that the officer may have told him he was going to take him to jail (there were parts of the conversation we couldn’t hear, but I heard the response from the driver, which was “NO YOU WON’T”, that the officer had the OPTION to arrest him, and decided to do so.
The driver caused the situation to get to the point where the officer decided to take him to jail. Even though the code says the officer is not REQUIRED to take him to jail, it does not state that HE CAN NOT take him to jail for refusing to sign. It is usually decided based on behavior of the driver, which, in this case, was way out of line.
Since it was a ‘simple speeding ticket’, and the driver and his family could simply have gone about their business after he signed the ticket, I ask you, “Why did the driver do everything possible to provoke the officer into taking him to jail?”
Everyone speaks of the driver’s RIGHTS. Driving and the possession of a valid driver’s license, are a PRIVILEGE granted by the STATE. Your RIGHTS are very limited when it concerns operating a motor vehicle, and violating traffic ordinances.
Refusing to cooperate
Giving orders to the officer
are not on the list of your ‘rights’.
This is a fair question. One that I have touched on earlier, but will do again.
I think this guy, Massey, is pretty inexperienced in dealing with police. He seemed to think that he did nothing wrong, and could convince the officer of this if he could just talk sense to him. That's just not the way it works.
I certainly would not have behaved the way he did. And, I have used this video as an instruction to my two sons on what NOT to do.
I believe.. Massey thought signing the ticket was an admission of guilt. Never, did we hear anything different from him. And, he didn't want to do that. He had the mistaken opinion that 'not signing' would make a difference. Gardner never told him anything different.
I expect the COP to know better. He should know that it doesn't matter.. He should get back on the side of the road and make some more money for Utah... uh... I mean, protect the invisible road workers some more. Not waste time and resources hauling a belligerent pansy to a magistrate.
No matter how you put this... This cop made a quick decision (after he was interupted) that he didn't like this guy, and he was going to teach him a lesson.
Ok... some cops are like that. Maybe, most... I used to not think so. But, after this long chain of posts... I'm not so sure anymore.
I guess we'll just have to disagree on whether or not an arrest was justified. I have never said the cop was not within HIS rights to arrest the driver. Clearly, this was a LEGAL decision... I just maintain, it was a stupid decision.. based 100% on ego, not any real or perceived threat to the public.
Once this decision was made, things just headed south... quickly. I still maintain the cop was WAY TO QUICK to draw his weapon and take the aggressive approach. However, once the guy was tased... I actually think his later actions were ok... He seemed to calm down.. and, get more in control. Right up until the time he started lying to the other officer. But, hey.. that's "normal", huh?