UFO sightings are no laughing matter, group says

afp ^ | 11/12/07 | afp

[mdittmar]

UFOs may be fodder for comedians and science fiction but there was no joking Monday when a group of pilots and officials demanded the US government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects.

The 19 former pilots and government officials, who say they have seen UFOs themselves or been involved in probes of strange flying objects, told reporters their questions can no longer be dismissed more than 30 years after the US case was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO himself in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington told a news conference.

Symington read an appeal on behalf of the group of who came to Washington to recount their sightings of UFOs.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," the statement said.

The group included a retired pilot from Air France who said he saw an enormous flying disc during a flight from Nice to London in 1994, an Iranian pilot who tried in vain to fire on a UFO in 1976 and a former US official from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) who claims a probe into a UFO seen over Alaska in 1987 was squelched.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," Symington said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO.'"

When Symington suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic.'"

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he saw a UFO.

Skeptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

[mdittmar]

I found this interesting passage in the Bible,

Matthew 7;7,8

[dragnet2]

Time for a dose of simple reality. These are man-made military craft.

Well, that sure explains it all, and puts to shame military personnel, engineers, cops, pilots, government officials, and other knowledgeable, credible people that alleged to have seen them.

There you have it! lol...

[Kevmo]

I gather you haven’t read the book.

[dragnet2]

Oh, his book explains it all? He describes what all these people have seen right?

What's he say about life elsewhere in the universe? Does he have that all figured out too? Maybe in his next book huh?

[Cvengr]

Depends upon the version being studied. There are some wingless angels, and had bodies at one time, so perhaps so.

There seems to be a common system of spiritual capacity in these creatures, which might not always be similarily accepted within different denominations. Christians well accept God the Holy Spirit regenerates the human spirit upon faith in Him through Christ, but the meaning of the spirit differs considerably amongst believers and nonbelievers.

Even amongst Christian believers, different spiritual gifts are given to different believers, so there is substantial room for confusion even amongst believers on the topic.

IMHO, many UFO testimonials indicate a spiritual involvement.

[Kevmo]

Read the book, then we can discuss. Right now you simply do not know what you’re talking about.

[dragnet2]

LOL!

[Kevmo]

Is that your way of saying that you won’t even consider the evidence? That’s a pretty closed mind you’ve got there.

[dragnet2]

Oh, his book explains it all? He describes what all these people have seen right?

Is that your way of saying that you won’t even consider the evidence?

So he has *evidence* that every unidentified object, that every pilot, engineer, military personnel, cop etc has ever seen, and continue to see is in reality secret military aircraft?

You've got to be joking. That’s a pretty closed mind you’ve got there.

Lets see, I say your book guy is full of crap, because he thinks he knows exactly what tens of thousand of all types of people have claimed to have seen, but I'm closed minded?

Too funny!

[Kevmo]

You have a real interesting way of arguing from silence. You don’t even know what the book says but you argue against it. That’s the classical logical fallacy of arguing from silence.

Let’s see what other fallacies you’ve employed.

[You’ve got to be joking] — ridicule, playing to the gallery.

[So he has *evidence* that every] — exaggerate the other position and argue against it, straw argument fallacy.

[I say your book guy is full of crap, because he thinks he knows exactly what tens of thousand of all types of people have claimed to have seen,] — again straw argument, because that is not the original claim.

Keep them coming, this is fun.

[dragnet2]

You don’t even know what the book says but you argue against it.

Hmmm...Lets go through what you've forgotten you've already stated about what your book guy claims...

You said:

Time for a dose of simple reality. These are man-made military craft.

You stated he has ***evidence*** that every unidentified object, that every pilot, engineer, military personnel, cop etc has ever seen, and continue to see is in reality secret military aircraft? Lets see, once again, I say your book guy is full of crap, because he thinks he knows exactly what tens of thousand of all types of people have claimed to have seen, yet you allege I am closed minded?

And if they are not secret military aircraft, what are they?

[Constantine XIII]

“UFO sightings are no laughing matter, group says”

LOL

[Kevmo]

You stated he has ***evidence*** that every
***Where does it say EVERY? And why are you reluctant to look at the evidence? Read the book. You’ll see for yourself there’s compelling evidence.

[Bender2]

UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. That is something up in the air that is not readily identifiable, right?

Just because you see something that you do not know what it is, that does not makes you a tinfoil cap wearing nut.

In the summer of 2005, a friend and I were out late night fishing on Richland-Chambers Lake in Central Texas. This was just after the shuttle Discovery had separated from the space station on a mission STS-114. It was the first one after the Columbia loss. Both Discovery and the ISS were very visible in the sky that night. It was a wonder to watch them until they disappeared when they went out of sunlight and into the earth's shadow.

A little later, I looked up and saw another object above. It was not as bright as the shuttle or ISS. It looked for all purposes as a satellite in orbit. However, instead of a steady, straight trajectory as all the satellites I'd seen before in orbit, this one was juking all about moving in a rough northeast to southwest direction.

I told my friend to look up and he saw it, too. The UFO continued to juke around on a zigzag path as it travel across the sky for several minutes before it too disappeared as it went into Earth's shadow.

To this day, I wonder what it was I and my friend saw up there. It was not like anything else I've ever seen in the nighttime sky.

I can recall as a child watching Sputnik (actually it was the satellite's trailing booster rocket also in orbit) in the Fall of 1957. That bright pinpoint of white light marching across the sky in a steady, straight line is seared forever in my memory. Yet over the next 50 years, I have seen many other space payloads, but never another like that juking one of Summer, 2005.

Over the years I've thought often about what the devil the dang thing was and why was it doing that jitterbug dance?

My best guess was it was a military payload doing that juke dance as avoidance to any possible hunter/killer satellite, but that is not something I have ever been able to find in any articles about space warfare.

I cannot believe what I saw was an alien spacecraft chucked full of little green, gray or polka dot guys and/or gals here to steal our secrets, babies, ice, water, molybdenum, supermodels or our only working copy of the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. It was not a scout for an invasion or a first cook sample tasting us before writing To Serve Man in his native tongue.

In truth, I do believe there is intelligent life out there in the universe. All those uncountable billions and billions and billions of galaxies and their googol (a 1 followed by 100 zeros) plus number of stars cannot help but over the billions of years since the Big Bang to produce several, if not, millions or billions of different intelligent lifeforms.

In my belief, these intelligence aliens do not sit up nights worrying about us. I don't believe they are constantly coming here to watch us, but it would not be a life changing event for me if they showed up one day before I pass away.

Matter of fact... where are you guys? I want to know what that was I saw back in 2005 and I ain't getting any younger!!!

[dragnet2]

All these UFO stories coming in at the same time, almost like a concerted effort. Time for a dose of simple reality. Invest $5 in your future. “Intercept UFO” by Renato Vesco. Best UFO book ever written. You might even appreciate some of the technology. These are man-made military craft.

Did you not state the above in your #2 post? Yes or no?

And if so, can you show me in your post #2 what it states, "some but not all are "man made military craft"?

[Kevmo]

All those uncountable billions and billions and billions of galaxies and their googol (a 1 followed by 100 zeros) plus number of stars cannot help but over the billions of years since the Big Bang to produce several, if not, millions or billions of different intelligent lifeforms.
***We got a start on covering that possibility with the probability calculations started by Coppedge and others on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1904271/posts?page=86#86

Coppedge’s calculations of 1 in 10^123 for the formation of a protein of 445 amino acids in length, and 1 in 10^29345 for the formation of an aggregate of proteins minimal for the existence of life are computed on the basis of the left-handed amino acid problem alone. Once that’s plugged into the Drake Equation, you’re looking at maybe one in a trillion galaxies that might have intelligent life, if you’re lucky. And by lucky, I’m giving you 50 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE leeway.

[Kevmo]

Kevmo: These are man-made military craft.

Dragenet: Did you not state the above in your #2 post? Yes or no?

***Yes. Where does it say EVERY? There are about 19 or 20 cases being discussed in this thread. I state confidently that these folks saw military aircraft. Now, what is it going to take to get you to read a $5 book?

[dragnet2]

Where does it say EVERY?

*These* are man-made military craft.

Right here. See where it says, These?

What is the meaning of these? LOL!

OK, so now that you've back tracked, what does your book man tell us the rest of "these" are?

LOL!

[lesser_satan]

These are man-made military craft.

That's what I've thought for some time now. What better way to hide advanced aeronautics than let everybody think it's aliens? One story I heard was that the object that crashed at Roswell was a high-altitude spy balloon, and the stuff about aliens was intentionally pushed by the military to throw everybody off the trail.

[dragnet2]

There are about 19 or 20 cases being discussed in this thread. I state confidently that these folks saw military aircraft.

Yours was post #2. And you confidently stated, "these are military craft". HA!

And since your post was #2, what specific discussion were you referring to?