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Cheering crowd attends disputed ordination of two women as priests
STLtoday.com, Website of the St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 11/12/2007 | Michele Munz

Posted on 11/12/2007 6:53:23 AM PST by OriginalChristian

ST. LOUIS — To the Roman Catholic Church, the ceremony was not an ordination. In fact, it wasn't even Roman Catholic. But to two women and the approximately 600 people who came to cheer them on, history was made Sunday in St. Louis as the two became the first women ever in the city to be ordained as Catholic priests.

And the first ever, perhaps in the world, to be ordained in a synagogue.

Rose Marie Hudson, 67, of Festus, and Elsie Hainz McGrath, 69, of St. Louis, were ordained as priests by an organization called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which defines itself "as an international initiative within the Roman Catholic Church."

Not only is the Archdiocese of St. Louis upset about the women participating in an ordination ceremony, but the church and others in the interfaith community were upset that the Central Reform Congregation, in the Central West End, hosted the event.

"The event of today is really very sad because the name Roman Catholic has been misused and misapplied," said Dr. Lawrence J. Welch, a Kenrick-Glennon Seminary theology professor. "There's been no ordination of Roman Catholic priests. In fact, there has been a profaning of something Roman Catholics believe is very sacred."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: apostacy; catholic; ordination; religiousleft; sheeruttermadness; womenpriests
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To: Just mythoughts
and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS* shall prophesy

You don't have to be a priest to help spread God's word.

41 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:59 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: OriginalChristian

Heretics...They deserve what their heresy will bring them.


42 posted on 11/12/2007 7:27:03 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: L98Fiero

Yep. I’m not Catholic or celibate, and I eat meat on Friday, but if they can have women priests, I figure what the heck, I can give it a shot.


43 posted on 11/12/2007 7:27:14 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Cagey

My guess is they are lesbians.

“As Hudson and McGrath welcomed hugs and congratulations in their new white vestments, Andrew Wolf, 34, of south St. Louis County, made his way to Hudson. He said that as a homosexual, he fell away from Catholicism when he was 17. He recently wanted to return but wasn’t sure how — until Sunday.”


44 posted on 11/12/2007 7:28:30 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Just mythoughts

My Church is the Assemblies of God, and we do ordain women as Ministers. But the Catholic Church does not ordain women as Ministers, and I respect their right to have their own rules and beliefs of Ordination.

There is nothing “disputed” about this, the Catholic Church does not allow for women to be Ordained as Priests in their Church. These women are not Catholic Priests and the Rabbi that allowed this fake ceremony to go foward did so as a slap in the face to the Catholic Church.


45 posted on 11/12/2007 7:28:41 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: PGR88

Exactly. I don’t go to church except for weddings and funerals, so I’m probably not really in a position to be overly critical, but this PC BS isn’t going to make it very likely I’ll be going anytime soon. It’s not just the Catholics either. The whole institution of religion is being taken over by this crap.


46 posted on 11/12/2007 7:30:04 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan

They are NOT Priests....and since they have done this act, they are’t even Catholic anymore.


47 posted on 11/12/2007 7:31:22 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: al_c
You don't have to be a priest to help spread God's word.

What vehicle then would man use to ordain a female to spread God's word? To prophesy one would have to at the very least be learned in God's word. I can't find it Written that *man* will have much to say about who God elects to use male or female.

48 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that *I* will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS* shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in *THOSE DAYS* will I pour out My spirit.

Neither refers to the priesthood. There have been quite a few female prophets in the Catholic Church. And the Holy Spirit is poured out upon all that are baptized.

49 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: OriginalChristian
Next thing, the Pope will be presiding over a bris.

By the way, liberals, a bunch that's always howling about "gender", won't use the grammatically correct term priestess.

50 posted on 11/12/2007 7:34:01 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Morgana

I was raised as a Catholic but the church of the 40’s and 50’s was not the same as that of today. Due to a previous marriage I am no longer a particpant in the church,


51 posted on 11/12/2007 7:34:27 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Seruzawa
But the papers print this stuff because it stirs up controversy and upsets decent people.

And that's what sells newspapers. Well, they no more "news" papers than porn movies are art.

52 posted on 11/12/2007 7:35:15 AM PST by oldbrowser (Democrats don't care about "the kids".)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
My Church is the Assemblies of God, and we do ordain women as Ministers. But the Catholic Church does not ordain women as Ministers, and I respect their right to have their own rules and beliefs of Ordination. There is nothing “disputed” about this, the Catholic Church does not allow for women to be Ordained as Priests in their Church. These women are not Catholic Priests and the Rabbi that allowed this fake ceremony to go foward did so as a slap in the face to the Catholic Church.

Personally I have never met an ordained preacher/priest who is a female. I did attend a Lutheran wedding once that was performed by a woman. I do not know what her title was/is, all I remember she liked to talk and talk a lot.

Like I said I do not know anything about this event and will have to take others word the purpose was to take a slap at Catholics.

53 posted on 11/12/2007 7:36:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

There are places in the Church for women’s ministry. But the Roman Catholic Church does not condone ordaining women to the priesthood, and if a person is CATHOLIC, then they follow the canons. If they break those rules, they may be something, but they aren’t CATHOLIC anymore.

I am an Orthodox Christian, and we are in perfect agreement with our sister Church regarding this issue.


55 posted on 11/12/2007 7:39:24 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: OriginalChristian

Cue “Aw Jeez” Guy!


56 posted on 11/12/2007 7:40:39 AM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Neither refers to the priesthood. There have been quite a few female prophets in the Catholic Church. And the Holy Spirit is poured out upon all that are baptized.

I think you and I are talking two different kinds of priesthood one ordained of man and the other ordained by God. By the way Joel speaks to what is yet still to come as NOTED by Peter in Acts 2:17 on Pentecost Day. This event is said to take place *in the last days* and what took place was the words out of the mouth was understood by all in their own native language, no interrupter was required it was literally the voice of the Holy Spirit. Has NOT happened yet.

57 posted on 11/12/2007 7:42:28 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: TexConfederate1861
There are places in the Church for women’s ministry. But the Roman Catholic Church does not condone ordaining women to the priesthood, and if a person is CATHOLIC, then they follow the canons. If they break those rules, they may be something, but they aren’t CATHOLIC anymore. I am an Orthodox Christian, and we are in perfect agreement with our sister Church regarding this issue.

I am not trying to change your or the Catholic doctrine, I put forth a question as to how a specific scripture is suppose to be understood. Everything I read from Genesis to Revelation when God says something it happens according to His will, and from the beginning man has never overturned His will.

58 posted on 11/12/2007 7:46:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: wideawake

“And how many Montanists live in your parish nowadays?”

They’ve all become Episcopalians.


59 posted on 11/12/2007 7:51:56 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Just mythoughts
" 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams."

"This event is said to take place *in the last days* and what took place was the words out of the mouth was understood by all in their own native language, no interrupter was required it was literally the voice of the Holy Spirit. Has NOT happened yet."

Sorry, but there's nothing in either verse about it being "understood by all in their own native language".

OTOH---I've got several folks in my ROMAN CATHOLIC Bible study class who have had incidents of both speaking in and interpreting "tongues". And the Church has many instances of women saints being prophetesses.

60 posted on 11/12/2007 7:53:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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