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Fear of a dynasty denies Hillary Clinton votes (Norquist calls for constitutional amendment)
The Sunday Times Uk via Drudge Report ^ | Nov 11, 2007 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 11/11/2007 7:16:19 PM PST by RDTF

BILL CLINTON is finding it difficult to transfer voters’ affections for him to his wife as opponents exploit concerns that two dynasties – the Bush and Clinton families – could dominate American politics for 28 years.

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The United States, however, considers itself to be a more mature democracy. Grover Norquist, one of America’s most influential Republican activists, aims to turn the question of dynasty into a campaign issue.

“It will be ridiculous to have Mr President and Madam President in the White House,” he said. “We’re the United States of America. How can we say to President Mubarak [of Egypt], ‘You can’t hand off the presidency to your son, it’s got to be your wife’ or, ‘Hey Syria and North Korea, you’ve got to knock this stuff off and be like us’.”

Norquist has commissioned lawyers to draw up a constitutional amendment that would ban family members from succeeding one another to elected and appointed office. If passed, it would not apply to the Clintons as a Bush was elected in between them. But Norquist believes that it will alert voters to the perils of dynasty. “Americans don’t like to go back,” he said.

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1 posted on 11/11/2007 7:16:20 PM PST by RDTF
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To: RDTF

Well that wouldn’t be good for Duncan Duane Hunter.


2 posted on 11/11/2007 7:18:42 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: RDTF

Dynasty?......No, just nasty........


3 posted on 11/11/2007 7:18:45 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: RDTF

I will never, ever vote for Chelsea.


4 posted on 11/11/2007 7:20:50 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: RDTF

The article falsely asserts that the Swift boat veterans “smeared” Kerry. They simply told the truth about him, something the mainstream media wanted kept hidden.


5 posted on 11/11/2007 7:20:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: RDTF

We don’t need dynasties, we need people capable of running an Administration.


6 posted on 11/11/2007 7:21:15 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“The article falsely asserts that the Swift boat veterans “smeared” Kerry.”

They can’t point to a falsehood, so where’s the smear?


7 posted on 11/11/2007 7:22:42 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: RDTF
Norquist has commissioned lawyers to draw up a constitutional amendment that would ban family members from succeeding one another to elected and appointed office.

Wouldn't that constitutional amendment be unconstitutional? It would deprive the electorate of a candidate of their choice, "dynasty" or not. But, the whole question is pure nonsense since the voters still make the ultimate choice(s).
8 posted on 11/11/2007 7:22:42 PM PST by adorno
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To: Verginius Rufus

all I can see in the article is the refernce to Bill saying Hill was ‘Swiftboated’ - but no reference to the actual Swiftboat vets. Am I missing something?


9 posted on 11/11/2007 7:24:14 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: popdonnelly

....and the Klintons aren’t those types of people.....


10 posted on 11/11/2007 7:25:18 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (Fred Thompson/Duncan Hunter 08; English is the American Language....)
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To: RDTF

We don’t need an amendent...geesh.


11 posted on 11/11/2007 7:36:55 PM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: popdonnelly
Funny how the liberals call the truth a smear.

The more they use “swift-boated” in a negative manner, the more it is countered with what it really was.

Like Bill Clinton should talk, he got swift-boated with the truth before the term even was invented!

Semi-retired racehorse’s neck

12 posted on 11/11/2007 7:40:07 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Suzy Quzy
"We don’t need an amendent...geesh."

Agreed...for the same reasons I'm not happy with most term limit proposals...Any person meeting the minimal Constitution requirements to run for office should be able to, and likewise, I as a voter should be able to vote for, and ultimately elect any person I feel id best qualifed. Term limits and the proposed "blood line" amendment inhibit the freedom of candidates and voters alike.

Having said that, the problem lies with the political awarenes of the electorate and the emphasis (or lack thereof) placed on responible citizenship. In a free, democratic republic, we should, for better or worse, get the government we elect. If an eminently qualified individual of the highest moral character wants to run for a congressional seat or the White House, and I want to vote for them, it's silly to have laws that prohibit them and me from doing so. The problem lies on the other side of the equation, and that is in the voting public's ability to discern who are the eminently qualified candidates. A smart constituency will emplace place term limits on any incumbent when warranted.

13 posted on 11/11/2007 7:52:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

you underestimate the kind of power that elected politicians have. Look at Hugo Chavez.


14 posted on 11/11/2007 8:20:13 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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I think Chavez underestimates the power of a disabused citizenry. Time will tell, even though Venezuela lacks a Second Amendment...the most powerful term limit legislation ever enacted.


15 posted on 11/11/2007 8:28:14 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: adorno

Exactly. If the best candidate running happens to be someone’s brother or wife, I’m still voting for the best candidate.


16 posted on 11/11/2007 9:43:48 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (HONK IF YOU'VE SACKED TROY SMITH.)
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To: neodad
I will never, ever vote for Chelsea.

Me too. How about P. Bush?

Regards

17 posted on 11/12/2007 12:20:45 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: adorno
Wouldn't that constitutional amendment be unconstitutional?

If duly adopted, a constitutional amendment becomes part of the Constitution. The Constitution can't be unconstitutional, pretty much by definition. That said, amending the constitution to limit whom voters may choose is a non-starter, and it won't get a majority of Congress nor 3/4 of the states.

18 posted on 11/12/2007 12:38:58 AM PST by ReignOfError
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The Constitution states that no state may be deprived of its equal vote in the Senate without its consent. What if a constitutional amendment to the effect that the 5 states with the smallest population should have one senator each, and the 5 states with the largest population should have 3 senators each was passed by the required margins in both houses of Congress and 3/4 of the states went through the process of ratifying it?

It should be patently unconstitutional, but who knows if it went to the Supreme Court after Hillary gets to add a couple of new justices?

19 posted on 11/12/2007 6:45:20 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
The Constitution states that no state may be deprived of its equal vote in the Senate without its consent. What if a constitutional amendment to the effect that the 5 states with the smallest population should have one senator each, and the 5 states with the largest population should have 3 senators each was passed by the required margins in both houses of Congress and 3/4 of the states went through the process of ratifying it?

Then it would be part of the Constitution. It would be the law of the land.

A duly-adopted amendment becomes part of the Constitution. Amending means changing. Adding or subtracting. The Constitution cannot, by definition, be unconstitutional. Am I speaking Esperanto here?

Don't talk to me about original intent -- the Founders' original intent was that the runner-up for president would be the vice president. The folks who actually had to govern fixed that in a hurry. They amended the Constitution. Changed it. It's been done 27 times in the last 220 years. An amendment isn't an editorial or an oh-by-the-way. It is part of the Constitution. Full stop.

20 posted on 11/12/2007 7:01:01 AM PST by ReignOfError
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