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High court to look at ban on handguns
McClatchy-Tribune ^ | Nov. 9, 2007, 12:18AM | MICHAEL DOYLE

Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty

Justices to decide whether to take up case on strict limits approved in D.C.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court will discuss gun control today in a private conference that soon could explode publicly.

Behind closed doors, the nine justices will consider taking a case that challenges the District of Columbia's stringent handgun ban. Their ultimate decision will shape how far other cities and states can go with their own gun restrictions.

"If the court decides to take this up, it's very likely it will end up being the most important Second Amendment case in history," said Dennis Henigan, the legal director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Henigan predicted "it's more likely than not" that the necessary four justices will vote to consider the case. The court will announce its decision Tuesday, and oral arguments could be heard next year.

Lawyers are swarming.

Texas, Florida and 11 other states weighed in on behalf of gun owners who are challenging D.C.'s strict gun laws. New York and three other states want the gun restrictions upheld. Pediatricians filed a brief supporting the ban. A Northern California gun dealer, Russell Nordyke, filed a brief opposing it.

From a victim's view: Tom Palmer considers the case a matter of life and death.

Palmer turns 51 this month. He's an openly gay scholar in international relations at the Cato Institute, a libertarian research center, and holds a Ph.D. from Oxford University. He thinks that a handgun saved him years ago in San Jose, Calif., when a gang threatened him.

"A group of young men started yelling at us, 'we're going to kill you' (and) 'they'll never find your bodies,' " Palmer said in a March 2003 declaration. "Fortunately, I was able to pull my handgun out of my backpack, and our assailants backed off."

He and five other plaintiffs named in the original lawsuit challenged Washington's ban on possessing handguns. The District of Columbia permits possession of other firearms, if they're disassembled or stored with trigger locks.

Their broader challenge is to the fundamental meaning of the Second Amendment. Here, commas, clauses and history all matter.

The Second Amendment says, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Gun-control advocates say this means that the government can limit firearms ownership as part of its power to regulate the militia. Gun ownership is cast as a collective right, with the government organizing armed citizens to protect homeland security.

"The Second Amendment permits reasonable regulation of firearms to protect public safety and does not guarantee individuals the absolute right to own the weapons of their choice," New York and the three other states declared in an amicus brief.

Gun-control critics contend that the well-regulated militia is beside the point, and say the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess guns.

Clashing decisions

Last March, a divided appellate court panel sided with the individual-rights interpretation and threw out the D.C. ban.

The ruling clashed with other appellate courts, creating the kind of appellate-circuit split that the Supreme Court likes to resolve. The ruling obviously stung D.C. officials, but it perplexed gun-control advocates.

If D.C. officials tried to salvage their gun-control law by appealing to the Supreme Court — as they then did — they could give the court's conservative majority a chance to undermine gun-control laws nationwide.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bradybill; conctitution; constitution; firearms; gungrabbers; heller; parker; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; supremecourt
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To: Mojave
McDonald's "reasoning" followed Nordyke's misapplication of Heller to the states. What's different?

Something, evidently...

The Ninth Circuit voted to re-hear the case en banc (that is, all eleven judges would review the decision of the three-judge panel), but in light of McDonald, that order has been rescinded and the case remanded to the original panel for reconsideration. Rescinding an en banc re-hearing is an unusual turn of events, but nothing follows the norm in this suit. The panel has asked for further briefing from the parties, indicating that it may reverse itself on the constitutionality of the gun-show ban.
1,581 posted on 08/01/2010 7:55:40 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27

The speculative, new and as yet unrevealed emanation of a penumbra is under construction, sans a blueprint.


1,582 posted on 08/01/2010 10:26:38 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave
Yes, but speculation in advance of court action can be fun.
I remember just a few years ago you were speculating that a win in the Heller case would spell the end of concealed weapons laws:

Would your progressive scheme to impose a nationwide concealed carry ban in the name of the 2nd Amendment be an example of "progress"?

And so was paulsen, who I would ping if he were still around...

Exactly. Just like the U.S. Supreme Court used the first amendment to protect us from hearing that boring political speech in the months preceeding an election. And isn't it wonderful that all states must allow nude dancing and flag burning because that IS protected speech.

Or how they protected us from those religious zealots who want to establish religion by keeping "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or setting up a creche at Christmas Winter Holiday Season in the town square, or invoking God's name at high school commencement.

Yep. I think we can expect those same justices to expand our gun freedoms. There's no way they're going to rule that "keep" means keep in a state armory, or that "bear" does not mean concealed carry, or that "arms" do not include handguns.

No way.


Sarcastic but unintentionally right on the handguns being protected in the home. Of the 8 or so cases mentioned in the linked article above, it seems all of them are attempting to attack gun laws, and none at all seek to ban concealed carry. When are we going to see that happen?
1,583 posted on 08/03/2010 9:02:29 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27
you were speculating that a win in the Heller case would spell the end of concealed weapons laws

Actually, I was taking a liberal/libertarian poster, who constantly cites a Georgia decision (Nunn) holding that banning concealed is consistent with the 2nd Amendment, to task. I disagreed with his nonsense. Do you?

1,584 posted on 08/03/2010 11:28:21 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: publiusF27

“A federal judge shot down California’s ban on same-sex marriage Wednesday, ruling it unconstitutional.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/08/04/2010-08-04_federal_judge_vaughn_walker_overturns_californias_prop_8_in_win_for_samesex_marr.html#ixzz0vfwztQhl

Isn’t bench made law fun!


1,585 posted on 08/04/2010 2:55:02 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave
Isn’t bench made law fun!

A blast
1,586 posted on 03/07/2014 3:01:01 AM PST by publiusF27
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