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High court to look at ban on handguns
McClatchy-Tribune ^ | Nov. 9, 2007, 12:18AM | MICHAEL DOYLE

Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty

Justices to decide whether to take up case on strict limits approved in D.C.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court will discuss gun control today in a private conference that soon could explode publicly.

Behind closed doors, the nine justices will consider taking a case that challenges the District of Columbia's stringent handgun ban. Their ultimate decision will shape how far other cities and states can go with their own gun restrictions.

"If the court decides to take this up, it's very likely it will end up being the most important Second Amendment case in history," said Dennis Henigan, the legal director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Henigan predicted "it's more likely than not" that the necessary four justices will vote to consider the case. The court will announce its decision Tuesday, and oral arguments could be heard next year.

Lawyers are swarming.

Texas, Florida and 11 other states weighed in on behalf of gun owners who are challenging D.C.'s strict gun laws. New York and three other states want the gun restrictions upheld. Pediatricians filed a brief supporting the ban. A Northern California gun dealer, Russell Nordyke, filed a brief opposing it.

From a victim's view: Tom Palmer considers the case a matter of life and death.

Palmer turns 51 this month. He's an openly gay scholar in international relations at the Cato Institute, a libertarian research center, and holds a Ph.D. from Oxford University. He thinks that a handgun saved him years ago in San Jose, Calif., when a gang threatened him.

"A group of young men started yelling at us, 'we're going to kill you' (and) 'they'll never find your bodies,' " Palmer said in a March 2003 declaration. "Fortunately, I was able to pull my handgun out of my backpack, and our assailants backed off."

He and five other plaintiffs named in the original lawsuit challenged Washington's ban on possessing handguns. The District of Columbia permits possession of other firearms, if they're disassembled or stored with trigger locks.

Their broader challenge is to the fundamental meaning of the Second Amendment. Here, commas, clauses and history all matter.

The Second Amendment says, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Gun-control advocates say this means that the government can limit firearms ownership as part of its power to regulate the militia. Gun ownership is cast as a collective right, with the government organizing armed citizens to protect homeland security.

"The Second Amendment permits reasonable regulation of firearms to protect public safety and does not guarantee individuals the absolute right to own the weapons of their choice," New York and the three other states declared in an amicus brief.

Gun-control critics contend that the well-regulated militia is beside the point, and say the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess guns.

Clashing decisions

Last March, a divided appellate court panel sided with the individual-rights interpretation and threw out the D.C. ban.

The ruling clashed with other appellate courts, creating the kind of appellate-circuit split that the Supreme Court likes to resolve. The ruling obviously stung D.C. officials, but it perplexed gun-control advocates.

If D.C. officials tried to salvage their gun-control law by appealing to the Supreme Court — as they then did — they could give the court's conservative majority a chance to undermine gun-control laws nationwide.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bradybill; conctitution; constitution; firearms; gungrabbers; heller; parker; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; supremecourt
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To: Mojave

Yes, unless you can name a reason they should be excluded. I can’t think of one. Can they vote?


1,321 posted on 11/24/2007 4:08:13 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: Mojave
Why do you want a whites only militia?

Just because the history of gun control is racist doesn't mean the future must be. You seem to be the one who wants to exclude non-whites. It never occurred to me to wonder whether Crips, Bloods, Birchers, or Elks were in the militia, but you sure seem obsessed with the question of whether non-whites should be allowed to have guns.
1,322 posted on 11/24/2007 4:15:57 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: Mojave
Was Miller in a militia? I guess so, or the Supreme Court would not have been considering his 2A rights as they relate to that shotgun at all, since he would have none to consider.
1,323 posted on 11/24/2007 5:42:40 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27
Yes, unless you can name a reason they should be excluded.

How about because your position, in addition to being unsupported by law of history, is insane?

1,324 posted on 11/24/2007 6:07:23 AM PST by Mojave
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To: publiusF27
Just because the history of gun control is racist doesn't mean the future must be. You seem to be the one who wants to exclude non-whites.

What an amazing piece of projection! You're the one promoting the racist position that only non-whites are gang members.

1,325 posted on 11/24/2007 6:10:28 AM PST by Mojave
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To: publiusF27
Was Miller in a militia? I guess so, or the Supreme Court would not have been considering his 2A rights as they relate to that shotgun at all, since he would have none to consider.

Beg that question!

1,326 posted on 11/24/2007 6:11:41 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Anyone expecting substance from you would.

Typical, Screwtape.

1,327 posted on 11/24/2007 6:49:25 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Have you told the Crips and the Bloods that they’re your militia heroes yet?


1,328 posted on 11/24/2007 6:55:36 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Have you written the regulations that tell them they’re not?


1,329 posted on 11/24/2007 7:31:24 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Are they also sheriffs?


1,330 posted on 11/24/2007 7:36:42 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Are they substantially affecting commerce among the several states?


1,331 posted on 11/24/2007 7:46:10 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Are the Crips what the Founding Fathers envisioned?


1,332 posted on 11/24/2007 8:42:31 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Does the Constitution not apply to anything you think they might not have envisioned?


1,333 posted on 11/24/2007 8:56:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
And don't forget how your beloved Crips militia facilitates the the drug trade, thereby protecting the sacred Constimatushunal right to ingest crack.

They're like freedom fighters, man!

1,334 posted on 11/24/2007 9:34:49 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

What I won’t forget is how much you want to avoid that last question.


1,335 posted on 11/24/2007 10:38:47 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Are the Crips a militia?


1,336 posted on 11/24/2007 11:09:10 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Starve, Screwtape.


1,337 posted on 11/24/2007 12:13:51 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
In his absence, you’re now the site's official Yappy.
1,338 posted on 11/24/2007 12:15:30 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Been drinking today?


1,339 posted on 11/24/2007 12:17:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mojave

You forgot to answer whether they can vote.


1,340 posted on 11/24/2007 12:49:05 PM PST by publiusF27
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