Posted on 10/23/2007 11:47:00 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
Explain the difference.
As far as I can tell, neither of them have any core principles and both of them will say anything to get themselves elected president.
Please explain how this applies to Giuliani with examples. What you are basically saying is that Giuliani's entire outline for his foreign policy plans, education views, etc are all lies? That's a serious accusation to be making without any proof.
To me, he is explaining his answers on a questionnaire in 97, and he agrees with all the recent laws in notification and in partial birth, which btw, has made many I know grow up some over the years and begin to change. That debate was very revealing to many pro-abortion Americans who never really thought about anything but so-called "rights".
I don’t hear him saying or running on making abortion easier, changing any recent restrictions, being an advocate for more abortions, ect. (also he appears to be trying not to flip completely over, I honestly don't think he cares that much if a woman has a choice or not), But I promise you I will certainly keep my ears open to any hint of activism on his part.
Sincerely.
Why don't you tell me what Giuliani's core principles are?
This is nonsense. There is a true conservative running on the GOP side, his name is Duncan Hunter. Dobson should be screaming his name from the rooftops.
You and others woefully underestimate the disdain evangelicals hold for Guiliani. They will not vote for someone counter to their principles and will trust their God to honor that obedience.
Don't be fooled.
You are wrong. Rudy's record reveals that someone with the credentials of P-Marlowe (an extremely high GPA doctorate) might have just seen through Rudy. It is FAR, FAR MORE than a single issue...it's just that that particular "issue" is also a RIGHT.
Rudy is anti-gun.
He is pro-illegal immigration and amnesty.
He is anti-life.
He is pro-gay union
He is anti-family
He believes in federal funding of abortion
He raised taxes.
He appointed liberal judges
He supported the NY dem candidate over the republican
He harbors a known male homosexual child molester on his staff AND he has wildly participated in gay parades, cross-dressing, etc.
He pushed Kerik, known philander and organized crime connections.
He cruelly dumped wives and children, publicly humiliating them. (IF that's what 'loyalty to commitment' means to the man, then how loyal will he be to his 'political marriage partners,' the conservatives?)
It just goes on and on. Those who are blind are those who would support this man at all.
He is every bit as evil as Hillary.
Absolutely true.
Those who insist on Giuliani are liberals who are trying to split the republican party and throw this to Hillary.
This is the media's game.
The RudyBots have been brainwashed -- before even one vote has been cast -- by the media's plan to push Rudy during the run-up to the election. The media wants an easily defeated liberal republican to run against the socialist democrat. That way, even if, perchance, the deadbeat lib wins, then they've still got a win.
The socialists/MSM are trying to set themselves up for a win-win situation, and the shallow wings of the electorate, even fair weather 'conservatives,' when they get called by the pollsters, are mindlessly parroting what their brainwashing by the media has trained them to say .
Rudy's positions and record are awful. How can anyone be taken in by his shucksterism?
“Republicans not having a spine to stand up to the Dems”
No, didn’t miss point at all. I agree with above with high dsappointmet and disgust.
Not to demean P-Marlowe's credentials, but I was able to determine much the same thing... And I fell off the turnip truck just the other day! :P
I only mentioned p-m’s credentials because scarface told him in a prior post that he is “intellectually lacking.”
I’ve known p-m here on FR for years now.
I will.
I will write in Duncan Hunter whether he wants my vote at the time or not.
Write-ins get counted. That way the brainwashed pubbies will get a count of how many votes they threw away.
BTW, in history, Teddy Roosevelt nearly won by retaining his Republican identity....calling themselves the Progressive Republicans (Bull Moose).
A solid conservative could again run as a protest republican....The Conservative Republicans. (Tancredo would be the most likely to agree to such a thing.)
I think that IS their "core principle." They are entirely focused on the acquisition of personal power and to that end, they will say and do whatever is necessary. They are both perfect examples of Faustian narcissists.
I’ve debated both you and P-M for years on Catholic vs. Protestant issues and, out of pride, I have on occasion thought and uttered some rather unflattering things about both of you. But “intellectually lacking” has never been one of them. :-)
I disagree. I think that many of the Rooty Rooters have always been liberals and they are anxious to be able to remove the facade of conservatism. I have seen in the past year a number of FReepers disparagingly using terms like "Religious Right" (one compared us to the Taliban last weekend) and "Far Right."
If a triangle has two short sides that are each three and four inches in length, how long is the longest side?
5 inches
6 inches
7 inches
12 inches
Thanks for putting Hillay in office.....
This kind of selfishnes really makes me laugh......to be able to call yourself a conservative is a lie because you are helping to put in a true liberal who will elect liberal judges and do everything else she can to bring down our country to liberal standards. And that would last longer than any Rudy candidacy.
it’s a 3,4,5 triangle, isn’t it?
I do agree with you that FR has had a number of liberals in conservative clothing for a while now. I think it also has a number of fair-weather conservatives.
I also think that our Prot/Cath debates are just a part of our presence here: we have an awful lot that we come together on.
Life is the most important concern of America.
Is this supposed to impress us or insinuate some kind of super intelligence or that his opinion means more than mine? I worked around Dr.'s for years --I could tell you some stories.....and they are not impressive.
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