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To: nmh
The husband made a choice based on his legal right to do so. I have read all the factual data that I can find on this case. Not one word of the provable factual true data supported any of the wild conspiracy stories that the press made up. The autopsy totally supported the doctors statements and factually determined the mental ability/disability and impairment of this poor young lady.
During a very slow press cycle many people allowed themselves to be used by the lying press to create and sustain a non existent fabricated story. The truth was sad enough but it was a private personal decision of her husband. Terri had cut the apron strings when she married. With the help of a needy press her parents tried to reinvent and reattach them.
When you ignore all the unproven and stupid accusations and suggestions that were made to keep this story alive this situation is no different than many others similar situations that take place every day.
This is a case of a husbands ability to make a legal decision that has been entrusted to him by his wife and the laws of the state.
The press, the government, and all the busybodies out there need to stay the HELL out of these very difficult and painful decisions.
22 posted on 10/22/2007 4:47:07 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (My dad ldft for Europe in)
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To: oldenuff2no

What I did not like about the Shiavo case is how they killed her by starving her. We do that to even our pets and we end up in jail for cruelty.


25 posted on 10/22/2007 4:52:43 PM PDT by biff
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To: oldenuff2no

Never mind the fact that Terri was starved to death. I’m sure it was totally euphoric.


29 posted on 10/22/2007 4:54:13 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: oldenuff2no

I’m in about 99% agreement with you. The small difference being that Terri was not on life support and that her family was willing to take care of her. So, I likely would have deferred to them... However, not knowing the intimate details, I withhold judgment on what is one of the most difficult and personal decisions.

Good for Fred.


30 posted on 10/22/2007 4:55:05 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: oldenuff2no
This is a case of a husbands ability to make a legal decision that has been entrusted to him by his wife and the laws of the state. The press, the government, and all the busybodies out there need to stay the HELL out of these very difficult and painful decisions.

Yes, please keep the government out of the business of starving people to death.

31 posted on 10/22/2007 4:58:49 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: oldenuff2no

The truth is he murdered his wife LEGALLY.

He was already living with his next wife, had one or tow kids with her and Terri was a problem. She had to go. He used up the money on getting her murdered legally. There was no reason to murder her. He could have divorced her. Her parents were more than willing to care for Terri. Only a sick f could believe that murdering a human being by starving her to death is okay.


33 posted on 10/22/2007 5:01:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: oldenuff2no

The “husband” was living with another woman with whom he had two children. Under the circumstances, I think he had a vested interest in death.


35 posted on 10/22/2007 5:03:10 PM PDT by mh
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To: oldenuff2no

Yeah, this “husband” of Terri had quite the track record for abuse and her SUDDEN medical problem has ALWAYS been in question.

Terri was not on life support and healthy - it is a tragedy that she was STARVED TO DEATH for the convenience of her whore of a husband.


36 posted on 10/22/2007 5:03:50 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: oldenuff2no
I agree. "The press, the government, and all the busybodies out there need to stay the HELL out of these very difficult and painful decisions."

Let those who would have to care for her decide. In this case, her parents. Her brother and sister.

69 posted on 10/22/2007 6:01:46 PM PDT by bvw
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To: oldenuff2no

There is quite a bit of difference of opinion, however on the ethics of removing food and water with the intent to cause death, especially in this case which used substituted judgment.

There was no technology required. The food and water by tube would not have even been “medical treatment” in most States, including Texas.

The judge ruled that it was - he even said that ice chips and water by mouth were “medical experiments.”

The high handed judicial rulings that go against every decent medical ethics are a problem that we will probably continue to talk about for years.


75 posted on 10/22/2007 6:10:02 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: oldenuff2no


This is a case of a husbands ability to make a legal decision that has been entrusted to him by his wife and the laws of the state. The press, the government, and all the busybodies out there need to stay the HELL out of these very difficult and painful decisions.”

I agree. A lot of folks had the wool pulled over their eyes on this one.


102 posted on 10/22/2007 7:37:49 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: oldenuff2no
I have read all the factual data that I can find on this case.

Can you offer any legitimate and logical reason for the order forbidding any effort at oral feeding/hydration? What possible harm could it have done? The worst that could happen would be that Terri would die anyway.

145 posted on 10/22/2007 9:59:34 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: oldenuff2no
The truth was sad enough but it was a private personal decision of her husband. Terri had cut the apron strings when she married...

Michael Schiavo gave up any legitimate claim to marital decision making when he shacked up with another woman and had two children with her.

159 posted on 10/23/2007 7:01:58 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: oldenuff2no
"I have read all the factual data that I can find on this case. Not one word of the provable factual true data supported any of the wild conspiracy stories that the press made up."

Have you read Mark Fuhrman's book on the subject? If you had, you would know that one of the inescapable FACTS of the case, is that the timeline of events provided by Michael Schiavo for the night of Terri's *accident* is at odds with the timelines provided by her family, neighbors, EMS, police and ER personnel.

"This is a case of a husbands ability to make a legal decision that has been entrusted to him by his wife and the laws of the state."

There is strong circumstantial evidence that suggests Michael Schiavo tried to kill Terri. Being unsuccesful in his endeavor to do it himself. Suppose for just one second this is true, and consider your arguments on his behalf in this context.

237 posted on 10/24/2007 5:23:52 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: oldenuff2no

What the leftist press also did was support the outrageous notion that Terry was “peaceful” and “euphoric” as she died of hunger and thirst. In fact, she died slowly and horribly as anyone who starves to death and/or dies of thirst.

My father was terminally ill with congestive heart failure. He died of hunger/thirst when he was no longer capable of eating or drinking. He had a living will to not resuscitate or insert a feeding tube—this iswhat he wanted. Even with HOURLY doses of morphine he still suffered terribly in the last 10 days of his life.

The


267 posted on 10/24/2007 2:16:47 PM PDT by RooRoobird20
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To: oldenuff2no
The husband made a choice based on his legal right to do so.

The fact has been documented that he forced hospice to quit brushing her teeth.

That was damn sure enough for me to figure the entire situation out.

Unless you can explain why this was a decision made by a loving husband based on his legal right to do so.

311 posted on 10/25/2007 5:32:38 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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