Posted on 10/16/2007 12:58:12 PM PDT by blam
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So, I guess I’m both. I sponsored my mother’s brother and he is R1b1 with DYS-390-23. I also sponsored my brother who turns out is R1b1 with a DYS-390-24.
It’s a good thing these remains aren’t American Indian or we’d have to rebury the bones and burn all the research.
“how cool is that?”
Sit on it, Fonzie.
BTTT
(Which means, death rate per population infected, or death rate of the population with cause unknown. Either definition works here.)
Consequently the tax authorities came up with a scheme of hiring Sa'ami to open up farms to the South where all the Norse people had died. They also had Sa'ami take over fishing boats, forests, etc.
The last farms made vacant by plague were opened up by Sa'ami settlers from the far North in the mid 1700s.
That was about 350 years worth of difference.
(Subtle nuances between different sorts of expressions of death rate are rather meaningless in this situation).
Roughly, the Sa'ami appear not to have been affected by the Black Death while the Norse were slaughtered like lambs in a Kosovan slaughter house the week before Ramadan.
Given that the Sa'ami have substantial and significant genetic differences from the Norse, and a myriad of epigenetic differences, you almost have to suspect the Sa'ami had a pre-existing genetic difference that protected them against Black Death whatever it might have been.
From the Sa'ami point of view the relocation back to the South was a mixed blessing. On the one hand the entire Sa'ami population was able to move firmly into the Iron age, but on the other they began to lose their distinct cultural identity (Little Red Man, Herb Woman, Reindeer Man), but not their genome ~ and it's only recently that it's been rediscovered.
I too am into genealogy and have thought about this, but as you say, it is rather expensive.
DYS-392-13. What does 13 mean at 392?
I don't understand it either, lol. My neighbor is a yDNA I1a and has a DYS390-23 just like me and I'm an R1b.
"The J2 lineage originated in the northern portion of the Fertile Crescent where it later spread throughout central Asia, the Mediterranean, and south into India. As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry this lineage is found within Jewish populations. Research note: Many people new to Genetic Genealogy think the J2 haplogroup is synonymous with having male Jewish ancestry. One should note that having a J2 haplogroup assignment does not necessarily indicate Jewish ancestry. The J2 haplogroup is far more ancient than the Jewish religion and is found in many lines with Mediterranean region ancient ancestry. Another relatively more recent mode for J2's entry into some parts of Europe from the Mediterranean areas could have been the Roman Legions and Roman settlements."
BTW- My whole family on both sides has blond hair and blue eyes with the occasional redhead mixed in. I’ve had allot of fun telling them we’re probably Jewish and come from the middle east.
LOL. I know the feeling.
Imagine my family's suprise when I told them that my mother (A south Alabama farm girl) was a Sa'ami!!! They said, "A WHAT?" They started getting closer to understanding when I used the word 'Laplander' and reindeer herder. My mother is haplogroup 'V'...a Skolt Sa'ami.
Sa'ami Girl
Were those movements reflected in the bygdeboks?
Also, if you think you may eventually be wanting to go as high as a 37 marker test, it's cheaper to do it initially than upgrading later. I've learned some of these things the more expensive way!
GENOMEThe different kind blood group you have determines your susceptibility to certain diseases. For example, people with A blood are less likely to get diarrhoea than people with B blood. People with O blood are more susceptible to getting diarrhoea than anybody else. People with AB blood are virtually immune to diarrhoea because of their resistance. Nobody really yet knows how AB genotype protects them from this disease. "Since people with the O blood are the most susceptible to the disease, shouldn't they die out according to natural selection?' you are probably asking. That is true but there are a couple of things that keep the O group alive and one of them is malaria. People with O blood are more resistant to malaria than other groups. Another thing is that the O group is less likely to get certain cancers. These benefits cancel out the negative effect that the O blood group has on the diarrhoea disease so, this balance has kept the group from disappearing.
the autobiography of
a species in 23 chapters
by Matt Ridley
(from chap 9)
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