Posted on 10/15/2007 4:29:47 AM PDT by StatenIsland
“The most important ‘traditional value’ in this election is keeping the Clintons out of the White House,” says Greg Alterton, an evangelical Christian who has “spent my entire professional career considering how my faith impacts, or should impact, the arena in which I work” — government and politics. Alterton writes for SoConsForRudy.com and counts himself among Rudolph W. Giuliani’s social-conservative supporters.
People like Alterton are important, if overlooked, in the Republican presidential sweepstakes. Anti-Giuliani Religious Rightists are far more visible. Also conspicuous are pundits whose cartoon version of social conservatism regards abortion and gay rights as “the social issues,” excluding other traditionalist concerns.
New York’s former mayor “has abandoned social conservatism,” commentator Maggie Gallagher complains. He “is anathema to social conservatives,” veteran columnist Robert Novak recently wrote. Focus on the Family founder Dr. James Dobson has said: “I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision.” Dobson and a cadre of Religious Right leaders threaten to deploy a pro-life, third-party candidate should Giuliani be nominated.
This “Rudyphobia” ignores three key factors: Giuliani’s pro-family/anti-abortion ideas, his socially conservative mayoral record, and his popularity among churchgoing Republicans.
While Giuliani accepts a woman’s right to an abortion, he told Iowa voters on August 7: “By working together to promote personal responsibility and a culture of life, Americans can limit abortions and increase adoptions.” Among Giuliani’s proposals to achieve this end:
“My administration will streamline the adoption process by removing the heartbreaking bureaucratic delays that burden the current process.” Giuliani notes that sclerotic court schedules, exhausted social workers, and tangled red tape trap some 115,000 boys and girls in foster care and prevent moms and dads from adopting them.
Giuliani proposes that the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives promote organizations that help women choose adoption over abortion.
He would make permanent the $10,000 adoption tax credit.
Giuliani also would encourage states and cities to report timely and complete statistics to measure progress in abortion reduction.
This is no sudden conversion on the road to Washington. As mayor, Giuliani did nothing to advance abortion. That helps explains why, on his watch, total abortions fell 13 percent across America, but slid 17 percent in New York. More significant, between 1993 and 2001, Gotham’s tax-funded Medicaid abortions plunged 23 percent.
Medicaid reimbursement figures from the New York State Division of the Budget allow a rough calculation of the Giuliani administration’s expenditures on taxpayer-financed abortions. This estimated funding dropped 22.85 percent, from $1,226,414 in 1993 to $946,175 in 2001. (See more here.)
Giuliani’s campaign for personal responsibility helped create a climate that discouraged abortion. Moving 58 percent of welfare recipients from public assistance to self-reliance, starting before President Clinton signed federal welfare reform, may have encouraged women and men to avoid unwanted pregnancies. New York’s transformation from chaos to order — which helped slash overall crime by 57 percent and homicide by 67 percent — probably reinforced such self-control.
Compared to the eight Democratic years before he arrived, adoptions under Giuliani soared 133 percent. Fiscal years 1987 to 1994 saw 11,287 adoptions; this grew to 27,561 between FY 1995 and FY 2002.
In another pro-family policy, Giuliani divested 78 percent of City Hall’s vast portfolio of confiscated, property-tax-delinquent homes. These were privatized and sold to families and individuals.
Giuliani proposed eliminating the city’s $2,000 marriage penalty. (As individuals, a husband and wife each would enjoy a $7,500 standard deduction, but only write off $13,000 if they jointly filed taxes.) He chopped it to just $400, letting joint-filers share a $14,600 deduction.
Giuliani also opposed gay marriage in 1989, long before it shot onto the radar. “My definition of family is what it is,” Giuliani told Newsday 18 years ago. “It does not include gay marriage as part of that definition.”
On Day 24 of his mayoralty, Giuliani jettisoned New York’s minority and women-owned business set-aside program. He later explained: “The whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination.” During the 12-year “Republican Revolution,” Congress deserted the fight for colorblindness.
Giuliani sliced or scrapped 23 taxes totaling $9.8 billion and shrank Gotham’s tax burden by 17 percent. This left parents more money for children’s healthcare, private-school tuition, etc.
On education, Giuliani launched a $10 million fund to support 17 new charter schools. Zero existed before he arrived. Giuliani also ended tenure for principals, fought for vouchers, and torpedoed City University’s open admissions and social-promotion policies.
“I took a city that was also known as the pornography capitol of this country,” Giuliani told New Hampshire voters last June. “I got through a ground-breaking re-zoning that was challenged in the courts. We won. And now, if you go to New York City, you don’t have to be bombarded with pornography. And the city has grown dramatically — economically, physically, and spiritually.”
Giuliani accomplished this and plenty more — not in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but in New York City. He could have governed comfortably as a pro-abortion, pro-welfare, pro-quota, soft-on-crime, tax-and-spend, liberal Republican. Instead, Giuliani relentlessly pushed Reaganesque socio-economic reforms through a City Council populated by seven Republicans and 44 Democrats. What’s so liberal about that?
This record, and Giuliani’s headstrong style, may explain why he leads his competitors and impresses churchgoers. An October 3 ABC/Washington Post poll of 398 Republican and GOP-leaning adults found Giuliani outrunning former senator Fred Thompson, 34 percent to 17, versus Senator John McCain’s 12 percent, and Willard Mitt Romney’s 11. (Error margin +/- 5 percent.) As “most electable,” Giuliani took 50 percent, versus McCain’s 15, Thompson’s 13, and Romney’s 6.
An October 3 Gallup survey found Giuliani enjoying a 38 percent net-favorable rating among churchgoing Catholics, compared to McCain’s 29, and Thompson’s 25. Among Protestant churchgoers, Thompson edges Giuliani 26 percent to 23, with McCain at 16, and Romney at 7.
What do Giuliani’s Religious Right detractors really fear he will do about abortion? If he can overcome their suspicions, secure the GOP nomination, and win the White House, do Giuliani’s critics actually believe he would squander that victory and enrage the GOP base by pushing abortion? Do his foes honestly think Giuliani would request federal abortion funding in violation of the Hyde Amendment he says he supports or appoint activist Supreme Court justices, rather than Antonin Scalia- and Clarence Thomas-style constitutionalists, as he says he would?
Having kept or exceeded his mayoral promises on taxes, spending, crime, welfare, and quality of life, why would he break his presidential promises on such a signature GOP issue? What kind of bait and switch do Giuliani’s foes truly worry he will attempt?
The contrast between Giuliani and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, could not be sharper. She would appoint pro-abortion justices and lower-court judges. These jurists also would be softer on crime, racial preferences, unions, and eminent-domain abuse than Giuliani’s would be.
Hillary Clinton also would take President Bush’s embryonic stem-cell program and expand it in every direction. If Giuliani does not padlock it, he at least would be more sympathetic than Clinton to privatizing it. If America must banish embryos to Petri dishes, let Lilly, Merck, and Pfizer do this. It is inconceivable that Hillary Clinton would shift anything from Washington to the private sector, especially America’s “greedy, wicked” pharmaceutical companies.
Religious Right leaders should study Giuliani’s entire socially conservative record, not just the “socially liberal” caricature of it that hostile commentators and lazy journalists keep sketching. Giuliani’s October 20 appearance before the Family Research Council will permit exactly that. Also, while Giuliani may not be their dream contender, social conservatives should not make the perfect the enemy of the outstanding. Ultimately, they should recognize that a pro-life, third-party candidate would subtract votes from Giuliani in November 2008.
That would raise the curtain on a 3-D horror epic for social conservatives: “The Clintons Reconquer Washington” — bigger, badder, and more vindictive than ever.
BTTT
No RUDY!!
I don’t believe a single word Rudy says. Keep trying elsewhere!
I’m not “Rudyphobic.”
I just don’t want a RINO as our president.
That's a 2 way street. Those who insist on Rudy are throwing the election to Hillary.
Better they unite behind a conservative candidate that all can support. Why try to force an anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-family, pro-illegal immigration, New York liberal on America when they KNOW that it won't fly, and they also know that it will split their party.
I assume it is because they WANT to split the party, and that they secretly desire a Hillary presidency.
“That’s a 2 way street. Those who insist on Rudy are throwing the election to Hillary.
Better they unite behind a conservative candidate that all can support. Why try to force an anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-family, pro-illegal immigration, New York liberal on America when they KNOW that it won’t fly, and they also know that it will split their party.
I assume it is because they WANT to split the party, and that they secretly desire a Hillary presidency.”
I’m not insisting on Rudy; I’m voting for Rudy if the choice is between him and Hillary. If the choice were between him and Fred, I’d vote for Fred, or Duncan Hunter. But that is not the case and won’t be the case.
As far as splitting the party goes, I will vote for any Republican that comes out of the primary - without equivocation. To me, that’s supporting the party. To me, those who would split the party walk away from it because they couldn’t get their candidate nominated.
Again, lest I be thought of as a Rudy shill, my hope would have been for a true Conservative to be leading in the polls - but alas, that is not the case. When poll after poll tells me that only someone like Rudy can beat Hillary, I have to pay attention.
Maybe I’m suffering from wild-eyed paranoia here, but when I think of what Hillary can do in terms of judicial appointments, the Fairness Doctrine, the circumvention of the electoral college, her willingness to grant large blocks of illegals and felons the right to vote, and her socialist fervor to tax our capitalist system out of existence - I cannot in good conscience consider staying home on election day.
OUTSTANDING idea!
Dear Staten,
You must understand that it is impossible for me to vote for Rudy. It would violate God’s commandments.
Let’s unite behind Thompson.
As some guy named Reagan once quipped, "facts are stubborn things".
- John
Hillary will "change the course of the country" as much as FDR did. The changes she promulgates will not be welcome.
Rudy - no matter how some conservatives portray him - WILL NOT DO THAT.
Of the two, whom is more preferable? The one who will "transform America", or the other who will not?
- John
If Republicans pick Rudy in the primaries, then that is exactly what they deserve.
Nothing LIBERAL about RINO-rudy?
Yeah... RIIIiiight.
role of the federal government - The gun-grabbing, jack-booted thug wanted to take ever-increasing and Draconian gun control measures NATIONAL, and I'm sure he would use the power of the presidency (bully pulpit, executive orders, veto power, judicial and cabinet appointments, etc.), congress, and the courts in an effort to make it happen. ESPECIALLY given that he THINKS the STATES should decide who gets to practice their 2nd Amendment rights, and who doesn't. The Himmleresque jack-booted-thug has no concept of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, as enumerated in the Constitution, and either he doesn't UNDERSTAND the 2nd Amendment, or he is blatantly disregarding and/or disrespecting it.
taxes - RINO-rudy may not have raised taxes as much as his scumbag liberal democrat mayor brethren, but he's STILL a northeastern-corridor, big-city, Bluest-of-Blue LIBERAL who can NOT be trusted with our wallets (you think George Bush senior was a lying sack of shiite with his "Read my lips...", you haven't seen ANYTHING yet.).
spending - Willing to WASTE tax dollars on FRIVOLOUS lawsuits against the gun industry crime is just one of the hallmarks of a jack-booted thug with the power to use the force of government and the courts to take away our rights (i.e., the gun industry's right to sell a perfectly legal product to law-abiding citizens interested in practicing their 2nd Amendment rights).
immigration - BULLSH*T on the "post-911" qualifier. RINO-rudy, like George Bush, just doesn't get it when it comes to the INVASION of illegals into our country. As mayor of The Peoples Republic of NYC, he laid the groundwork for fellow LIBERAL RINO, bloomberg, to create a SANCTUARY CITY for illegals.
separation of powers - He wants to use the power of government AND the courts in concert to try and quash the LEGAL trade in firearms.
national defense - trying to shut down the very industries that make the implements of war (gun manufacturers), with his frivolous nyc lawsuit, shows no concern for national security. Being pro-illegal immigration does not secure our borders, and help prevent the likely infiltration of terrorists into our country amongst the hordes of illegals.
islamo-fascism - O.K., he's got ONE conservative bone in his skinny little, admin-puke body. The main point here is... THERE ARE MUCH BETTER, CONSERVATIVE, MEN OUT THERE WE CAN SUPPORT.
pornography - With his cross-dressing, prancing in NAMBLA/gay parades, living with gays, etc. - he could be a POSTER BOY for GAY/TRANNY porn.
a host of other issues - NAME THEM.
To reduce LIFE or DEATH and/or CONSTITUTIONAL issues like the abortions of MILLIONS of innocent babies (more murdered than all of the terrorist attacks have accomplished), and the 2nd Amendment to a single term - "social conservatives" is ridiculous and outrageous.
In my mind, you are either CONSERVATIVE across the board, or you are a sellout. You have sold out the CORE principles our country was founded on if you support and vote for a LIBERAL, whether they have a "D", OR an "R" after their name.
Rudy has run a strong campaign, but his nomination isn’t inevitable-— look at the Howard Dean phenomenon, or the plausibility not so long ago of George Allen winning it.
Precisely - and that is why, if Rudy is chosen as our candidate, I will vote for him.
Sadly, there are still many who persist along the line of not voting for him because he isn’t rabidly pro-life like we are and isn’t a 100% supporter of the 2nd amendment, but refusing to give him a vote, if it comes down to him or Hellary, is essentially voting for her - and that is a virtual guarantee that we who pay taxes will be *paying* for many *more* innocent lives to be taken than otherwise would have been (and if voting for Rudy saves even one additional life that otherwise would have been lost under the Beast’s leadership, are our votes not worth that one innocent life?), and a guarantee that the NRA lobbyists will be working overtime to protect your and my right to bear arms.
Additionally, allowing the Beast to become POTUS because we must teach the RINOs a lesson is not just a slap, but a kick to our military, as the Beast will decimate it and bring the hounds of hell on us in no time flat. They’d love nothing more than for our military to be weakened so that we will be easy targets, with no repercussions to them. I still remember how disgusted and disheartened our soldiers were when we lost the House and Senate. I can’t begin to imagine what they will think, and how disgusted and angry they will be, if they are forced to salute the Beast and call her their CIC, because we were too proud, self-righteous, and stubborn to vote for the person who WON our Republican primaries.
Its just wrong, just as it was wrong to allow Pelosi and Reid to become the leaders of the House and Senate, to sacrifice our country’s safety and wellbeing for the sake of remaining loyal to our “principles”. It hasn’t made the RINOs any less “moderate”, therefor the intended effect hasn’t occurred. All that has come to pass is a lot of hot air being blown, the president having to actually had to break out the veto pen, not to mention the humiliating and ridiculous dog and pony show that the moonbats have been carrying on, on the world stage (remember Pelosi wearing the head scarf?).
The time to vote our principles is in the primaries. After those are said and done, and we have a candidate, I believe that voting our principles means voting for the candidate who was chosen by our party, because whoever that may be, is an improvement over Hellary. Plus, whoever our candidate is can be influenced by a vigilant base, to at least some extent, whereas the Beast will take great delight in doing anything and everything that trounces and shreds our values and beliefs.
I am bookmarking this thread for history, it will be a lesson in what not to do when facing the Clintons in an election.
Yes, it is. However, you'd indicated your choice was between God and Rudy. Perhaps I misunderstood you. It sounded like you would not vote for RG because of what you perceive as religious restrictions from doing so. However, by not voting you would implicitly aid the election of HC which I would think you would have the same reservations about. As I said, actions have consequences. The fact is your choice would be between Hillary and Rudy (again assuming these were the nominees). Any action you take will aid one candidate or the other. Vote for RG, he is more likely to win. Vote for HC, she is more likely to win. Don't vote at all and you cede control of the election to everyone that *does* vote and by default aid the election of whoever wins.
BTW, if you ultimately do choose not to vote Republican in the general election, I strongly urge you to at least vote third party. This way your vote is at least counted and will get the attention of the major parties. Not voting is a complete waste since the major parties only care about voters who actually vote.
Yes, it is. However, you'd indicated your choice was between God and Rudy. Perhaps I misunderstood you. It sounded like you would not vote for RG because of what you perceive as religious restrictions from doing so. However, by not voting you would implicitly aid the election of HC which I would think you would have the same reservations about. As I said, actions have consequences. The fact is your choice would be between Hillary and Rudy (again assuming these were the nominees). Any action you take will aid one candidate or the other. Vote for RG, he is more likely to win. Vote for HC, she is more likely to win. Don't vote at all and you cede control of the election to everyone that *does* vote and by default aid the election of whoever wins.
BTW, if you ultimately do choose not to vote Republican in the general election, I strongly urge you to at least vote third party. This way your vote is at least counted and will get the attention of the major parties. Not voting is a complete waste since the major parties only care about voters who actually vote.
Exactly. I can support neither of them. So far as this issue is concerned, they are the same person.
The mission is to win.
The first objective is to see that the republican nomination goes to some viable, pro-life republican rather than to Rudy. Right now that would be any of the candidates other than Rudy.
Failing that, and I think we'll know by the end of February because of Super Tuesday, is to put together a winning coalition behind a viable candidate other than Rudy or Hillary.
A plurality wins the presidency, so any pro-life candidate able to take all the the conservatives while Rudy & Hillary split the liberals would be one avenue of attack.
Wander back to the liberal plantation, DeRoy.This socially conservative record?
Abortion
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989
Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.
On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:
"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations
NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC
NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.
NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.
MAYOR GIULIANI COMMEMORATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ROE V. WADE SUPREME COURT DECISION
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today commemorated the 25th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision guaranteeing a woman’s constitutional right to privacy. At a press conference at City Hall, the Mayor was joined by Kelli Conlin, Executive Director of the New York State Affiliate of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL/NY); Irwin Schneiderman, NARAL Foundation Board Chair; Barbara Schack, NARAL/NY Board Chair; State Senator Roy M. Goodman, Council Member Andrew Eristoff; and Assemblyman John Ravitz.
"Twenty five years after the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, its impact is as significant as ever," Mayor Giuliani said. "This decision has precluded government from interfering with a woman’s Constitutional rights. "I take this opportunity to restate the commitment of the Administration to protect women’s right to seek reproductive health advice and services if that is their choice," the Mayor concluded.
Ms. Conlin said, "The 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade is an important time to remember the values that define the right to choose, and to applaud New York’s important role in leading the nation in regard to reproductive health. The Roe decision transformed abortion from a criminal act to a legal medical procedure, allowing doctors to provide this important medical service to women, without fear of criminal prosecution. Women were finally spared the humiliation of back alleys, and the fear of death due to unsafe, unsanitary procedures.
Ms. Conlin continued, "New York City has renewed its commitment to reproductive health care for women consistently, most profoundly in 1994 with the enactment of the Clinic Protection Act, which has dramatically reduced the incidence of violence and harassment of women entering health facilities."
With more than 50,000 members, NARAL/NY works in the political arena to protect women’s access to safe reproductive health services, and to expand the reproductive rights available to women.
www.ci.nyc.ny.us
The homosexual agenda
Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989
According to the New York Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love.
On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993
MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 23rd OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY NYC.gov ^ | 6/23/99 | rudy giuliani
City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani this afternoon honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees with a proclamation declaring June 23rd Out in Government Day. Today's ceremony is part of the celebration of June as Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion. New York City Tax Appeals Tribunal Commissioner Christopher Lynn accepted the proclamation from the Mayor.
The Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Lew Todd, a member of the New York City Loft Board and a former civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department and Catherine Cotter, Deputy Assistant Chief in Charge of Civil Court for the New York City Law Department, Office of the Corporation Counsel.
"I am proud of all New York City employees who work hard and give their talents and energies so that the most famous City in the world can be a more open and understanding place," Mayor Giuliani said.
"Less than one year ago, in July, I signed into law our City's landmark domestic partnership legislation," the Mayor continued. "As a result, this year's ceremony takes on a new significance, because it codifies into law for the first time that Gay and Lesbian New York City employees and their domestic partners receive equal coverage from the City government. It is in that spirit that today we present this proclamation."
June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City. This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the birth of the gay civil rights movement at the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village. In recognition of its international renown, earlier this year the Stonewall Inn was placed on the State Registry of Historic Places.
The Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees, founded in 1992, is dedicated to raising the visibility and understanding of gay and lesbian issues, addressing the needs and priorities of lesbian and gay employees and providing social and professional networking opportunities for its members. It is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of government, including elected and appointed officials and retirees from City service
Wander back to the liberal plantation, DeRoy.This socially conservative record?
Abortion
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989
Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.
On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:
"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations
NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC
NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.
NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.
MAYOR GIULIANI COMMEMORATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ROE V. WADE SUPREME COURT DECISION
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today commemorated the 25th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision guaranteeing a woman’s constitutional right to privacy. At a press conference at City Hall, the Mayor was joined by Kelli Conlin, Executive Director of the New York State Affiliate of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL/NY); Irwin Schneiderman, NARAL Foundation Board Chair; Barbara Schack, NARAL/NY Board Chair; State Senator Roy M. Goodman, Council Member Andrew Eristoff; and Assemblyman John Ravitz.
"Twenty five years after the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, its impact is as significant as ever," Mayor Giuliani said. "This decision has precluded government from interfering with a woman’s Constitutional rights. "I take this opportunity to restate the commitment of the Administration to protect women’s right to seek reproductive health advice and services if that is their choice," the Mayor concluded.
Ms. Conlin said, "The 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade is an important time to remember the values that define the right to choose, and to applaud New York’s important role in leading the nation in regard to reproductive health. The Roe decision transformed abortion from a criminal act to a legal medical procedure, allowing doctors to provide this important medical service to women, without fear of criminal prosecution. Women were finally spared the humiliation of back alleys, and the fear of death due to unsafe, unsanitary procedures.
Ms. Conlin continued, "New York City has renewed its commitment to reproductive health care for women consistently, most profoundly in 1994 with the enactment of the Clinic Protection Act, which has dramatically reduced the incidence of violence and harassment of women entering health facilities."
With more than 50,000 members, NARAL/NY works in the political arena to protect women’s access to safe reproductive health services, and to expand the reproductive rights available to women.
www.ci.nyc.ny.us
The homosexual agenda
Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989
According to the New York Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love.
On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993
MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 23rd OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY NYC.gov ^ | 6/23/99 | rudy giuliani
City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani this afternoon honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees with a proclamation declaring June 23rd Out in Government Day. Today's ceremony is part of the celebration of June as Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion. New York City Tax Appeals Tribunal Commissioner Christopher Lynn accepted the proclamation from the Mayor.
The Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Lew Todd, a member of the New York City Loft Board and a former civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department and Catherine Cotter, Deputy Assistant Chief in Charge of Civil Court for the New York City Law Department, Office of the Corporation Counsel.
"I am proud of all New York City employees who work hard and give their talents and energies so that the most famous City in the world can be a more open and understanding place," Mayor Giuliani said.
"Less than one year ago, in July, I signed into law our City's landmark domestic partnership legislation," the Mayor continued. "As a result, this year's ceremony takes on a new significance, because it codifies into law for the first time that Gay and Lesbian New York City employees and their domestic partners receive equal coverage from the City government. It is in that spirit that today we present this proclamation."
June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City. This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the birth of the gay civil rights movement at the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village. In recognition of its international renown, earlier this year the Stonewall Inn was placed on the State Registry of Historic Places.
The Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees, founded in 1992, is dedicated to raising the visibility and understanding of gay and lesbian issues, addressing the needs and priorities of lesbian and gay employees and providing social and professional networking opportunities for its members. It is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of government, including elected and appointed officials and retirees from City service
Wander back to the liberal plantation, DeRoy.This socially conservative record?
Abortion
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989
Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.
On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:
"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations
NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC
NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.
NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.
MAYOR GIULIANI COMMEMORATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ROE V. WADE SUPREME COURT DECISION
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today commemorated the 25th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision guaranteeing a woman’s constitutional right to privacy. At a press conference at City Hall, the Mayor was joined by Kelli Conlin, Executive Director of the New York State Affiliate of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL/NY); Irwin Schneiderman, NARAL Foundation Board Chair; Barbara Schack, NARAL/NY Board Chair; State Senator Roy M. Goodman, Council Member Andrew Eristoff; and Assemblyman John Ravitz.
"Twenty five years after the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, its impact is as significant as ever," Mayor Giuliani said. "This decision has precluded government from interfering with a woman’s Constitutional rights. "I take this opportunity to restate the commitment of the Administration to protect women’s right to seek reproductive health advice and services if that is their choice," the Mayor concluded.
Ms. Conlin said, "The 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade is an important time to remember the values that define the right to choose, and to applaud New York’s important role in leading the nation in regard to reproductive health. The Roe decision transformed abortion from a criminal act to a legal medical procedure, allowing doctors to provide this important medical service to women, without fear of criminal prosecution. Women were finally spared the humiliation of back alleys, and the fear of death due to unsafe, unsanitary procedures.
Ms. Conlin continued, "New York City has renewed its commitment to reproductive health care for women consistently, most profoundly in 1994 with the enactment of the Clinic Protection Act, which has dramatically reduced the incidence of violence and harassment of women entering health facilities."
With more than 50,000 members, NARAL/NY works in the political arena to protect women’s access to safe reproductive health services, and to expand the reproductive rights available to women.
www.ci.nyc.ny.us
The homosexual agenda
Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989
According to the New York Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love.
On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993
MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 23rd OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY NYC.gov ^ | 6/23/99 | rudy giuliani
City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani this afternoon honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees with a proclamation declaring June 23rd Out in Government Day. Today's ceremony is part of the celebration of June as Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion. New York City Tax Appeals Tribunal Commissioner Christopher Lynn accepted the proclamation from the Mayor.
The Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Lew Todd, a member of the New York City Loft Board and a former civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department and Catherine Cotter, Deputy Assistant Chief in Charge of Civil Court for the New York City Law Department, Office of the Corporation Counsel.
"I am proud of all New York City employees who work hard and give their talents and energies so that the most famous City in the world can be a more open and understanding place," Mayor Giuliani said.
"Less than one year ago, in July, I signed into law our City's landmark domestic partnership legislation," the Mayor continued. "As a result, this year's ceremony takes on a new significance, because it codifies into law for the first time that Gay and Lesbian New York City employees and their domestic partners receive equal coverage from the City government. It is in that spirit that today we present this proclamation."
June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City. This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the birth of the gay civil rights movement at the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village. In recognition of its international renown, earlier this year the Stonewall Inn was placed on the State Registry of Historic Places.
The Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees, founded in 1992, is dedicated to raising the visibility and understanding of gay and lesbian issues, addressing the needs and priorities of lesbian and gay employees and providing social and professional networking opportunities for its members. It is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of government, including elected and appointed officials and retirees from City service
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