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Turkish general warns US over ties (Pelosi's mess)
Yahoo News/ AP ^ | 14 Oct 07 | C. ONUR ANT

Posted on 10/14/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by saganite

ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkey's top general warned that ties with the U.S., already strained by attacks from rebels hiding in Iraq, will be irreversibly damaged if Congress passes a resolution that labels the World War I-era killings of Armenians a genocide.

Turkey, which is a major cargo hub for U.S. and allied military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has recalled its ambassador to Washington for consultations and warned that there might be a cut in the logistical support to the U.S. over the issue.

Gen. Yasar Buyukanit told daily Milliyet newspaper that a congressional committee's approval of the measure had already harmed ties between the two countries.

"If this resolution passed in the committee passes the House as well, our military ties with the U.S. will never be the same again," Buyukanit was quoted as saying by Milliyet.

"I'm the military chief, I deal with security issues. I'm not a politician," Buyukanit was quoted as saying by Milliyet. "In this regard, the U.S. shot its own foot."

President Bush has said the resolution is the wrong response to the Armenian deaths, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the measure's timing was important "because many of the survivors are very old."

"It is a statement made by 23 other countries. We would be the 24th country to make this statement. Genocide still exists, and we saw it in Rwanda; we see it now in Darfur," she told ABC's "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday.

But Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the measure was "irresponsible."

"Listen, there's no question that the suffering of the Armenian people some 90 years ago was extreme. But what happened 90 years ago ought to be a subject for historians to sort out, not politicians here in Washington," he told "Fox News Sunday."

About 70 percent of U.S. air cargo headed for Iraq goes through Turkey as does about one-third of the fuel used by the U.S. military there. U.S. bases also get water and other supplies carried in overland by Turkish truckers who cross into Iraq's northern Kurdish region.

In addition, C-17 cargo planes fly military supplies to U.S. soldiers in remote areas of Iraq from Incirlik, avoiding the use of Iraqi roads vulnerable to bomb attacks. U.S. officials say the arrangement helps reduce American casualties.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has "urged restraint" from Turkey and sent two high-ranking officials to Ankara in an apparent attempt to ease fury over the measure which could be voted on by the House by the end of the year.

Buyukanit's remarks were published a day after a visit by Dan Fried, assistant secretary of state for European affairs, and Eric Edelman, who is the undersecretary of defense for policy.

"Secretary of State Rice Condoleezza Rice asked us before we came here to express that the Bush administration is opposed to this resolution," Edelman said Saturday.

At issue in the resolution is the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks. Many international historians contend the World War I-era deaths amounted to genocide, but Turkey says the mass killings and deportations were not systematic and that many Turkish Muslims died in the chaos of war.

The congressional resolution comes as the Turkish parliament debates authorizing a military campaign into northern Iraq to root out rebels who seek a unified, independent nation for Kurds in the region.

U.S. officials have urged Turkey not to send troops and appealed for a diplomatic solution with Iraq. The Kurdish self-rule region in northern Iraq is one of the country's few relatively stable areas and the Kurds here are also a longtime U.S. ally.

A Kurdish rebel commander on Saturday said Turkey would face a long and bloody conflict if it launched a large-scale offensive in northern Iraq.

Speaking to The Associated Press deep in the Qandil mountains straddling the Iraq-Turkish border, some 94 miles from the northern Iraqi Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, Murat Karayilan, head of the armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, warned that an eventual Turkish incursion would "make Turkey experience a Vietnam war."

The PKK has been fighting for autonomy in southeast Turkey since 1984. The conflict has claimed tens of thousands of lives. Turkey says the rebels use Iraqi Kurdish territory as a safe haven. Iraqi and Kurdish authorities reject the claim.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; allies; armenia; armeniangenocide; armenians; nancypelosi; pelosi; turkey
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Bush needs to get out in front of this before Pelosi destroys our relationship with Turkey.
1 posted on 10/14/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

The last congress - which was under Republican control - voted this out of committee as well, this isn’t a Democratic/Republican split, it a matter of pressure on individual representatives of both parties by Armenian-Americans.


2 posted on 10/14/2007 8:56:51 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: saganite

Think it’s a coincidence that Nancy is pushing this now?

If it helps to force Turkey to turn its back on supplying US troops through their country the Dems are for it.

THE DEMOCRATS WANT US TO LOSE.


3 posted on 10/14/2007 8:59:53 AM PDT by kjo
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To: saganite
The stupidity of this democratic congress is unbelievable. On one hand they want to play kissy-face with Iran and North Korea, avowed enemies, and on the other hand insult allies like Turkey over what happened 90 years ago....JEEZ!!!
4 posted on 10/14/2007 9:00:11 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!))
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To: saganite
"Turkey's top general warned that ties with the U.S., already strained by attacks from rebels hiding in Iraq, will be irreversibly damaged if Congress passes a resolution that labels the World War I-era killings of Armenians a genocide."

To which Speaker Pelosi is quoted as replying:

"Well, Duh!"

5 posted on 10/14/2007 9:00:22 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: saganite

6 posted on 10/14/2007 9:01:09 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: UltraKonservativen

So what’s your timeline for forgetting attrocities?


7 posted on 10/14/2007 9:04:37 AM PDT by aristotleman
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To: saganite
I know how we can settle this with the Turks.

Permit them to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, subject her to a mental health exam, and then publish the results around the world.

Once it has been determined that the Speaker of the House is certifiably insane then any pronouncements she and her Party makes will have been discredited.

:-)
8 posted on 10/14/2007 9:05:03 AM PDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yass'm Miss Hillary.")
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To: Wolverine

If Turkey does indeed deny US access to it’s airspace that will put a severe crimp in moving troops into Kuwait before they deploy into Iraq. The air routes pass through Turkish and Iraqi airspace. The only other access to Kuwait would be Saudi Arabian air space. We’ve used that route before but it’s longer and costlier and depends of course on whether or not the Saudis would grant access. Yessir, Speaker Pelosi is playing with fire. Hopefully this won’t have a chance on the House floor.


9 posted on 10/14/2007 9:07:30 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

This is a Democrat ploy to cause Turkey to close U.S. access to their airstrips and facilities, thus undermining the war in Iraq.

That is ALL that this vote is about.


10 posted on 10/14/2007 9:10:11 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: aristotleman

Who says anything about forgetting. Remembering the Armenian genocide isn’t what this resolution is about anyway. It’s about throwing a monkey wrench into our efforts in Iraq.


11 posted on 10/14/2007 9:10:32 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
pelosi and reid, and others who support this measure are what they are....the owners of defeat, as Rush has said. Anyone in congress supporting this measure, bill, or piece of trash, owns defeat for America, as well. Why do so many want to lose this War, in our congress? I would venture the guess, our congress will say, "it is the American people's fault, they elected us." The trouble with that response is.....when the man on the street is asked.....Do you want America to lose this War?....the man on the street says "No". So why do so many in our congress refuse to do what should be done to Win this War.....the simple reason is most elite's ignore the man on the street. The elites consider themselves all knowing, just as Rush has said, and because the elites consider themselves all knowing and knowing what is best for America and Americans, the elites force feed the man on the street.

How long will the man on the street continue to allow the elites to force feed the lies to the man or woman on the street is anyone's guess.....but I sincerely hope the elites are about to receive a 'cannot be ignored' call, just as Americans occasionally send to the elites.

12 posted on 10/14/2007 9:11:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: saganite

Don’t forget the Turk denial of movement of the 4th Infantry Division through Turkey at the start of the war.


13 posted on 10/14/2007 9:14:07 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: saganite
Bush needs to get out in front of this before Pelosi destroys our relationship with Turkey.

I absolutely agree.

However, I'm afraid President Bush will continue to do little to combat the Democrat leadership.

I'm really disappointed that our President has chosen to coast at the end of his term.

14 posted on 10/14/2007 9:14:26 AM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Wolverine

I remember that. Since then the Turks have been more accomodating. That could easily end if this resolution passes.


15 posted on 10/14/2007 9:16:08 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
Yes, but the Turks need to understand that under our system of government such a resolution is meaningless. So long as those pushing it do not control the executive branch it can’t be implemented. It is no more dangerous than a call to replace current Turkish law with Sharia by a back bencher in his parliament. When those pushing such are close to taking over the government, alas currently true in both cases, then it becomes a threat to be discussed and fought in the political arena. Thus the Turks should mention and complain about this. However you don’t make any final act against those embattled friends who are still in control. Undercutting them could bring about the very thing you most fear. The Turks should oppose this with words, not irrevocable deeds, only changing if and when Hillary wins. We should treat our friends, the Turkish secularists, the same regarding their national struggle with Islamist Turks. Both must realize that because of the closeness of their respective domestic politics that the other may not be able to provide as complete support to their foreign friends as they’d like.
16 posted on 10/14/2007 9:17:14 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: saganite

Pelosi might be crazy like a fox on this one ... a back door way to ‘get us out of Iraq’.

I don’t think it will work, but it will tickle her minions.


17 posted on 10/14/2007 9:18:24 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: saganite

Jimma Carter said today on Woofie: I wouldn’t vote for Pelosi’s War Resolution Against Turkey.


18 posted on 10/14/2007 9:19:01 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: aristotleman
So what’s your timeline for forgetting attrocities?

Congress had already condemned this atrocity twice before!

This isn't designed to recognize something had had been ignored in the past!

It was designed to disrupt our relationship with Turkey at a time when we are winning on the ground and in the diplomatic circles.

Democrats are trying to damage our efforts in the ME in order to hurt Bush.

19 posted on 10/14/2007 9:21:57 AM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: aristotleman

>>>So what’s your timeline for forgetting attrocities?

I guess Greek atrocities against the Middle East are still being hotly talked about by the Democrats (Alexander the Great destroyed cities and all its inhabitants if they didn’t go along with his program).


20 posted on 10/14/2007 9:22:28 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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