[ChicagoHebrew]

See above.

[GRRRRR]

Did you actually see the interview?

People are too easily offended these days, Deutsch was BAITING her to say something ridiculous so she did, SARCASM!!!

Ann Rox!

[cinives]

So how come you put up a vanity then run away ?

Are you another liberal looking for grist for the Media Matters mill ? Hoping someone here posts something outrageous so Media Matters can get their lapdog Dingy Harry to denounce FR in the Senate and try to shut us down ?

And answer the question another poster posed - Why do Jewish people vote for liberals who hate and undermine Israel ?

[seanrobins]

[snip]

As an aside, please don’t let this thread be dominated with replies trying to “convince” me that Christianity is right. Suffice it to say that I have heard and rejected every single one of those arguments. But, as is the nature of being a 1% minority, I — like most Jews — get missionized quite frequently, which we find very irritating. Kind of like door-to-door salesmen who keep showing up a few times a week and don’t always take a polite “no” for an answer.

[snip]

You know what...you’re assumption that anyone is going to waste their time trying to “convice” you of anything religious is pretty offensive in itself. A lot more offensive that anything Ann had to say.

I’m not sure where you live, but I don’t buy your claim that “like most Jews” people are trying to convert you day in and day out. Bunk. So, just calm down, and try and smile a bit more.

Good grief.

[Redbob]

"...attendees at the GOP convention included Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and adherents of several other faiths."

I'm sure there were a few Jews, a muslim or two, and a whole bunch of atheists or agnostics.
But for whatever reason, or lack thereof, Jews are about as closely aligned with the Dimocrat Party as are blacks.

The next muslim I see at a GOP event will be the first one - and that's just fine with me.

[Chani]

self pinger

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

You’re misrepresenting what she said. Transcript here:

http://perezhilton.com/?p=7012#more-7012

You can’t seriously believe she wasn’t just joking, when she said Heaven is going to look like the GOP convention. She’s a Christian and that’s obviously silly.

Also, to say that in her dreams, all of America would resembled NYC during the convention, is obviously humor. You can’t take that literally, surely.

But the question was, in her dreams, ideally, how does (should) America appear? A Christian dreams that everyone is a Christian. She believes in the revealed truth of her religion and wishes the entire world to receive it. How can that offend anyone?

Do you wish to exclude anyone from YOUR religion and its message from God to mankind? If so, whom do you wish to exclude and why?

[M203M4]

Though she is primarily an entertainer, she has some other uses (among them the genuinely political), and certain people take pride in the admittedly simple task of conflating Coulter’s bizarre moments with conservatism writ large. Sometimes it works for the movement, sometimes against it.

Conservatives should not feel obliged to defend her when she wanders from sanity-land, nor should there be resistance to rebukes of the form in the OP, when appropriate. Same goes for every other pundit, personality, and so on.

Personally, aside from enjoying Ann’s ability to aggravate modern liberals, I’m not partial to her - she is the enemy of my enemy.

[vetvetdoug]

If it were not for Christians like Ann and the one's you live here in the US with, most of your kin would have died long ago at the hands of those ideologically nearest to the Democrats, the Nazis. Ann responded to a baiting question by a liberal lefty limpwristed non practicing Jewish progeny in the way she was taught by her Bible, The New Testament. You know, the book inspired by God and written by the followers of his son, the Jew Jesus. Fortunately for those of the Jewish Faith that are offended, Christians study the Jewish Law and the New Testament and understand your faith, unlike Jews that have no idea and don't even learn about the New Testament. It amazes me that the majority of the Jews align themselves with the beliefs of the Nazis and Muslims more so than Christians.

[ozzymandus]

Yeah, it’s vanity, all right. Nothing like seeing some so-called conservatives attack another conservative’s freedom of speech.

[fish hawk]

I did not read this thread as the headlines tells me its cry baby time.

[Alberta's Child]

Hey, dude -- was Ann Coulter's comment any less offensive than the one line you have on your profile page?

My fellow Americans, I have just signed legislation to outlaw Islam. The bombing began in October 2001.

[muawiyah]

Good grief, I've got some pretty close relatives who adhere to a religion (more or less) which is even older than Judaism and involves FAR FEWER people ~ you can even find some of their stories in the Torah.

If I were to adopt this writer's arguments about why Christian arguments are not attractive to him to my relatives' real old time religion, and why they shouldn't/couldn't be persuaded to be Jewish, I bet he'd think it was a tad offensive.

Well, nevermind, Jews are newcomers in this game.

[Liberty Valance]

I understand how Ann’s comments might seem offensive. Please don’t let the media build a wedge to further divide Republicans and conservatives. The leftist media has already gained significant ground pitting Christians against one another and I pray we can prevent any further divisiveness. Thanks for posting your thoughts on this.

[Vision Thing]

Nope, you didn’t make the sale.

[Maximilian]

[Duke Nukum]

I don’t think she should be condemned. She is out on the front lines taking the pies from the nut jobs for the rest of us.

If people don’t like what she says, they don’t have to read her or watch her on TV.

[Maximilian]

Sorry, if I owned Photoshop I'd get rid of that obscene asterisk at the bottom. This website has a number of similar posters that the left-wingers probably think are hilarious, but some of them are actually pretty great. Like this one:

[EveningStar]

They were not even talking about Christians until Ann unnecessarily brought it up.

If the word "condemn" is too strong we could settle for "criticizing" her for looking silly.

But the point is that if a friend makes a mistake, do you point it out to her, or do you just pat her on the head and tell her to keep doing it?

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DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We’re going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them –

COULTER: I like this.

DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women’s — with abortion — what would this country look like?

COULTER: It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.

DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?

COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I’m talking about this country. You don’t want to make this country — it’s not about Republicans. I’m saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.

COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the Republican Party would look like [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA] –

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don’t want — I’m not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more –

COULTER: We would be a lot safer.

DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because –

COULTER: Well, all of those things.

DEUTSCH: — I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate –

COULTER: Oh, no.

DEUTSCH: — that there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let’s give you — I’m going to give you — say this is your show.

COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America, they –

DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you’re not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That’s not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were - if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists –

COULTER: Whenever I’m harangued by –

DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can’t believe that.

COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity –

DEUTSCH: Here you go again.

COULTER: No, it’s true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that’s really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it’s like they have a chip on their shoulder. They’re just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And –

DEUTSCH: I don’t agree with that. I don’t agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don’t see any more or less chips there either way. That’s erroneous.

COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire Seinfeld episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you’re lying.

DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some Seinfeld episode? OK.

COULTER: But yeah, I think that’s reflective of what’s going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.

DEUTSCH: That isn’t what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or –

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it’s a lot easier. It’s kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly — you’re too educated, you can’t — you’re like my friend in –

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean –

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

DEUTSCH: Why don’t I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can’t believe that.

COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.

DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, “Let’s wipe Israel” –

COULTER: I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention.

DEUTSCH: “Let’s wipe Israel off the earth.” I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn’t really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we’re all sinners –

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there’s no –

COULTER: What’s absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I’m going to go off and try to perfect myself –

COULTER: Well, that’s what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans, and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I’m offended by that personally. And we’ll have more Big Idea when we come back.

[…]

DEUTSCH: Welcome back to The Big Idea. During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I’m going to give her a chance. So you don’t think that was offensive?

COULTER: No. I’m sorry. It is not intended to be. I don’t think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that’s why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don’t believe our testament.

DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, “Jews need to be perfected.” Those are the words out of your mouth.

COULTER: No, I’m saying that’s what a Christian is.

DEUTSCH: But that’s what you said — don’t you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic –

COULTER: No!

DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You’re an educated woman. How do you not see that?

COULTER: That isn’t hateful at all.

DEUTSCH: But that’s even a scarier thought. OK –

COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don’t want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean, [Rev. Jerry] Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is “Christ died for our sins.” We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.

[Bob J]

Do FReepers even read the body of an articles anymore?

Here is what CH wrote;

"First, as an initial matter, I don't think Coulter's comments about Jews needing to be "perfected" are offensive at all. As an observant Jew, I obviously don't agree with Coulter. But Coulter's remarks here clearly represent standard Christian belief, and it's wrong and intolerant to condemn someone for her basic religious beliefs.."

[goldstategop]

I think it was honest. A religious Jew would rather have a Christian like Ann Coulter as a friend than an atheist Jew like George Soros. Jews need a reminder every now and then to keep them faithful to G-d.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus