... and we all should have figured what Ron Paul's answer to Pearl Harbor would have been:
Posted on 10/09/2007 3:34:14 PM PDT by Jay777
For the most part, the whole debate was a snorefest in my opinion. One of the only things that woke me up was this little spat. As always, Ron Paul opens himself up and asks for it. Quite entertaining.
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It’s the race Rudy would win, heh heh.
The part I disagree with is after that...where Ron Paul says we haven’t been attacked by another country in 200 something years. Read History. Pearl Harbor.
It's all good. In the end, we're all conservatives & we'll support whoever the GOP nominee is as long as it ain't that fascist pig Rudy.
Believe me, my hubby was wide open. Paul really worried him. LOL!
I myself, don’t quite know what to make of him. Thats not a good thing.
Rudy, I know, that ain’t good either!
We were invaded by the British in 1814 too.
No spin guys. Paul came a little unhinged during the debate. There’s going to be a YouTube video clip of him shouting just like the one with Bill Clinton poking his finger at Chris Matthews.
Hawaii wasn’t a state until 1959.
Paul is a traitor,short and sweet
What a joke! Cash of fifty million for OBL and 25 million for Zawaheri with million more for lesser AQ figures - just for information that would lead to us getting him - hasn’t flushed out these rats BUT privateers would do it for the right to take possession of Al Qaeda's caves and all they contained - in the middle of nowhere. What a joke!
You left out the rest of Paul's answer:
"...as far as fleeting enemies go, yes, if there's an eminent attack on us, we never had that attack in 220 years."Of course you now know Paul forgot Pearl Harbor. But he also forgot the War of 1812, the Mexican attacks that precipitated the Mexican-American War, the Seminole attacks that led to the Seminole Wars... But Paul's policy positions require him to know little American history.
“Letter of Marque to fight Al Qaeda terrorism” It’s also against international law (though we’re not a signatory to the particular treaty [Treaty of Paris I believe] it bans merceneries, which is what this would fall under). On the other hand, in principle I do like it. We need civilians in the fight, i.e. border control, neighborhood watches, internet watchers (laura mansfield), etc. and so in principle he’s got something there. But all in all the guy is wacked.
agreed re: $ incentives. he doesn’t understand these guys and their supporters.
Well, if Rudy is the Republican Nominee...I’m voting for him. Yes, Rudy being from NY...he does a great job at slapping down the loons. Ron Paul is delusional...
... and we all should have figured what Ron Paul's answer to Pearl Harbor would have been:
Dr. Paul proposed $1-$2 billion and would have let Blackwater types go after Al-Qaida without worrying about screeching Democrats or Rules of Engagement and other hamstrings that are impacting our military now.
Man, y’all are pretty dense. The question was about one of these “imminent” Jack Baur moments that get y’all so terrified that your Supreme Leader has to start wiping people off of the map without the consent of congress. RP’s response to Guliani about who attacked NY on 9/11 was accurate, but did not directly target the knee-jerk impertinent “9/11/9/119/11” response from Guliani.
Here’s how RP should have responded to Guliani:
Benito Ghouliani: I disagree with RP that the U.S. has not been attacked in such a way as requiring a Presidential act of war without the consent of congress in 220 years. Where was he on 9/11?
RP: That wasn’t a country that was 19 thugs.
Ghouliani: But they were from Afghanistan and Pakistan
Should have been RP’s response: No they weren’t. They were born in Saudi Arabia and lived for years in places like Venice, Fl. where they worked with Germans, Austrians, and Americans such as Wolfgang Bohringer, Rudi Dekkers, Arnie Kruitof, and Wally Hilliard and where they worked within the milieu of the international cocaine and herion trade and were monitored by U.S. intelligence operations such as the military’s Able Danger project.
So why are you bringing up 9/11 anyway? Are you suggesting that this is an example of where you may have needed to nuke Venice, Florida or Saudi Arabia without the consent of Congress?
Is the best example you can come up with of an imminent Jack Bauer moment where the President must must nuke civilians or torture kittens without a declaration of war from congress?
Those were internal conflicts (within our continental territory) with the exception of War of 1812, and even then the British were present in Canada and in the Upper Great Lakes region. We still declared war and defended ourselves against them, remember? I think what Paul was talking about was a direct invasion or attack on America by another military from another sovereign nation. (OK, Pearl Harbor I'll concede may qualify, maybe the Spanish-American war if the Spaniards really did blow up the Maine .) But I admit that Paul did a horrible job at presenting his case though. He's got to remain calm because he was screeching like a banshee in that video clip.
As for "Declarations of War", it doesn't appear so. Here's an excellent link to a Congressional Reporting Service report "Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2001". It states "In eleven separate cases (listed in bold-face type) the United States formally declared war against foreign nations." And the 1st Seminole War is not among them.
During the Civil War some Confederates invaded Vermont from Canada, I believe...and others invaded Ohio, Maryland, and Pennsyvlania from the Confederate States of America. Then the US was already at war (but no declaration of war since Lincoln's theory of the war would have collapsed if he had treated the CSA as a sovereign nation).
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